I agree that M2k-5 is a very potent aircraft and better then the fulcrum-b india currently has. but 1 on 3 is still a difficult situation for the m2k-5 IMHO.

THe MIG would have to fly in three different directions. MEchanical radar have a hard time to track so differents targets. :dev2:

But as far as i know they do train together. and it is a general opinion that in a-2-a the basic aerodynamics of the 29 are superior.

pls correct me if wrong

The airfram of the mirage 2000 is purely a2A :p

Glitter,
IMO the whole discussion is hype.. If we talk in the ground level, then talk about one to one of M2k-5 with 29K…

I was talking of mirage -5, he wasn’t talking of mig-29K or M2.

how much will 1 M2k-5 cost versus 2 Mig 29.

LEt’s see:
1 very reliable engine vs 4 maintence unfriendly engines
1 crew vs 2 crews
1 missile vs 2 missiles.
Obviously, the mirage is cheaper.

not to mention if the Mig 29 is an M2, then how many 29’s can the M2k-5 take on?

Of course, the question would be totally different. 🙂

Statement is blunt… If you wanna argue then talk about scenario and versions, armament…. Making blunt statement will only result in flaming. 😡

read my edit.

I think this latest greates m2K is a waste of money… All those techs will cost us pretty penny on a old airframe and an even older engine..

Let’s see.
Mirage 2000 is old ?
Mig 29 and Su-27 are as old.
F-16, F15 even worst.

So ?

The correct thing to do is to setup a line in india for rafale with f3 standard..

But you won’t get the same ToT with the rafale.

I can’t be sure what it is you are saying here? I don’t think either of the planes are built in India, although overhaul facilities do exist.

In France, the rumors said that 36 mirages would be made in France by Dassault, the others in India.
For what I know about HAL, it sound a bit amazing since they already have a full planning.

Mirage maintenance is lower, but how much real difference is it going to make when you consider that buying MiG 29s will mean greater commonality with other a/c type (MiG 29k of IN, SU 30MKI, LCA?).

For few electronics system, how much different mechanical ones ?

Also, french spares are supposedly more expensive than russian ones. And again what real maintenance bother is it going to be when India produces the a/c, has complete manufacturing base set up?

“French spares” would be Made in India spares in the case of the mirages 🙂

This I don’t deny, I’m no expert on dassault, but if you are more knowledgeable, please enlighten us. Obviously you have quoted me out of context – my comment was only in reply to INdian1973’s comment about the French not being very flexible in modifying their mirages (post # 19). So if you think the French/Dassault is v.flexible, please take it up with him. Obviously (from the experience with the SU30MKI) the Russians don’t have too many hangups in customizing a/c.

So, take a look at Dassault history, from vautour to RAfale.
then your problem is the difficulty to fit a russian engines into a french airframe.
COuld you show me example of french or american engines fitted into russian airframes with the help of Mig or sukhoi ?

Glitter, thats making a virtue of necessity. M53 was a fallback engine to replace the failed, over-ambitious TF104/106 turbofans. Basically a turbofanned Atar 9K50. It should be reliable as its origins date back to WWII Germany 😉

My link wasn’t the one I had in mind.
That’s the good one
http://www.mirage-jet.com/Propulsion/M53/m53.HTM

Anyway, you’re really the first one to see a link between the M53 and the atar, even with the
” In common with the ATAR series that powered the previous Mirage generations the M53 has a single shaft powering both the fan and high pressure compressor stages.” in the link above.

M53
Its hard to believe just how low tech M53 is. The AL-21F-3 turbojet achieved 14:1 compression ratios….

http://www.mirage-jet.com/Propulsion/propulsion.htm

But it must be said that the M53 is perfect for what is has been designed for, high altitude, high speed.

And I have to add that I don’t know any pilot who would choose another engine with +10% thrust but not as reliable as this one.

For what I heard about that deal, Indian would built most of these mirages.
So I think that the price is under 50millions$ but cannot be know exactly.