Of course not. Consider this from only a few posts back:.
Well, perhaps the sentence is slightly misleading, but it’s right, the RWR will detect the magnetic emission of the radar way before the radar will detect the plane.
There is a difference between the RWR “feling” an emission, and the RWR giving the information to the pilot of an ennemi radar.
Of course the RWR has advantages. I always acknowledged as much. Go back and re-read this discussion if you aren’t sure.
And several posters think that you dramaticaly underestimate them.
If the Rafale is outside of the Irbis-e’s field of regard then the Rafale is flying behind the Su-35, a good place to be if you can get there, but you have to remember that the Su-35 would detect the Rafale at long range anywhere in the region it can see.
You have to remember that if the Su35 can detect a Rafale flying 200Km away, the nice arguments of LPI don’t hold here, (that’s why I wrote “stupid pilots”) and SPECTRA will be able to gather information about that Su-35 even when it is 400Km+ away.
For the Rafale to get behind the Su-35 it would need to fly a long way, it would need accurate locational data for the Su-35, and the Su-35 would have to refrain from turning during the whole time the Rafale is doing it.
Yes, it’s what I wrote, there is several conditions required, but for me, it sound like something that can be done.
Of course, we are in the case of using the Irbis at full power.
LPI? Gee, you think?
What do you think we are talking about when we are talking about a radar’s ability to operate without being detected itself?
You claimed that based on the math/physics the RWR always had an insurmountable advantage. I showed you that that was not the case.
In fact, it’s the opposite; nobody talk in absolute term but you.
The RWR of a Rafale/F-22/F-35 will have some advantage in case of a stupid Su-35 pilot using his radar at full power. Then nobody here can assure you in one way or another how the “some advantage” will translate into a tactical advantage.
Again, you seem to think the Rafale could approach and engage the Su-35 from outside the Su-35’s detection range… a fanciful idea at best.
And what about if the rafale pilot is able to stay out of the 120 degrees scan of the Irbis ? Then, the question of how powerful the radar is would be then totally pointless.
Of course, I don’t say that it’s a piece of cake for the Rafale pilot, specially because of the more limited range of the Rafale, I remember in Australia, F-111 pilots managed to defeat Mirage 2000-5 just by using thir superior internal fuel.
This “responsibly managed” program’s entire future now rests on one single export client… and in fact is already well into the dreaded death spiral.
Orders have been cut to pay for upgrades, production rates have been cut far below economical levels, and total orders are being cut because it is unaffordable. If that isn’t a death spiral nothing is.
In the case of the Rafale program, what exactly are you calling “death spiral” ?
Don’t you think it’s a bit late for its cancellation ?
According to this website, Dassault would be talking with Libya about a possible Rafale’s sale.
Even if Lybia want to buy Rafales to thank France for what we did, they must be sure that their material infrastructure and human ressources are ok to operate such a plane.
It would hardly be a surprise to see certain AMCA sub-systems selected from either the Rafale MLU or PAKFA Block 2, but it would be surprising to see Rafale’s current engines or even EJ200/220’s in a fighter fully entering service close to 2030. If foreign involvement in the engine is a given, then choosing to forgo 15+ years of development seems an enormous waste of potential…
If you have 2030 in mind, it’s obvious that the actual european engine might sound a bit old at that time.
But remember that the Rafale has now an evolution of the M88-2 of the beginning, and a 9t version is available too.
As Ananda wrote, there is no new engines fron SNECAMA or RR in the short/medium term.
A mix of strength and S-F that impressed me immediatly.
Either he was misinterpreted by the journalist, or Dassault is thinking to participate in Canada to make a lot of noise and use the opportunity to harass the Americans.
The probability of Canaday going for F-35 is very high (90% IMHO).
If they don’t go for F-35, they will go for the SH instead.
No way they will buy Rafale. Their main issue with the F-35 is the cost. Why on earth would they buy a non-US fighter that is horribly expensive? It does not makes sense politically and it does not makes sense economically.
Well, for the same reason EADS proposed the KC-30 to USAF, to limit the possible margin of the deal for the winner.
BTW, thanks to point that there is no weakness from a military or operational point of view :p
The new CEO of Dassault sound very motivated about the Canadian market
http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE9070ZH20130108
What is the source and what is the reason for the delay? Its not an easy deal to pin down by the looks of it.
If we musn’t talk of the articles stating that “Discussions are complex”, for what I heard which might impact the deal:
1) The will of Dassault to push Reliance while the indian governement want HAL to be the leading Indian company.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/mmrca-negotiations-run-into-fresh-hurdle/1055029
2) The cost of ToT, because, it’s easy to ask for a lot, but technologies don’t come for free. Knowing that the global economy doesn’t bode well for 2013, and obviously, we may have an important issue.
http://idrw.org/?p=17276
Don’t start on this again.
I just replied to someone, was it bad ?
The UAE can sell M2K without permission
They can try to sell those Mirage, but without, even an unofficial agreement from France, nobody would buy planes without support.
They publicly rejected the French Rafale bid as being uncompetitive and unworkable in November 2011.
And such a good journalist such like you think that this sentence don’t have any hidden meaning ?
Renewed negotiations with the French side were subsequently abandoned.
Well, if negociations about Typhoon are serious, where are the special requests from UAE ?
They are indeed different:
See how the bottom of the intakes are flat, compared to the normal intakes which are round all over:
Nic
Good catch, I thought the dark part was just the end of the round intake. :p
Here goes:
Aren’t the air intake still the same ? I thought that this picture was suppose to have a more modern version. :confused:
Well a competitive contest then!
Saab will probably bid a variant if the Gripen sold to the Swiss. Boeing will probably bid Super Hornet (expect some very attractive costings to be thrown in). EADS a variant of Typhoon Tranche 3. Dassault a variant of the Indian Rafale specification.
If I was a betting man I would be putting 100 Canadian dollars on the Super Hornet and fifty each way on Typhoon and F-35.
That’s why I don’t think that Dassault would answer to such a bid. 😀
Only for prototypes. Series examples will have a non-afterburned version of SNECMA M88.
Well, can we be sure of that ?
After all nEUROn is just a demonstrator, nothing is known about operationnal drone derivated from that program, specially since DA and BAE have two different project now, but would like to work on a common one.
Libya suggests otherwise. If that wasn’t a ‘hey guys, I still got it!” operation, I don’t know what is.
It was just a “Look how I save the live of innocent civils against an army of merciless soldiers bla bla, vote for me” from the previous French president.
I don’t know the reason from UK.