Have you seen this industrial offset promise in the contract or are you just expecting this based on how previous aircraft deals have worked in the past?

I see teh reaction of several european countries and I rad the article in the first post.

No amount of monies paid gives anyone access to another company’s proprietary data. This includes detailed designs, design & material data, test data nor source code. In the USA, such revelation will win you an industrial espionage conviction, a $100,000 fine and 10 year stay in the greybar hotel.

Instead of polluting another forum, read the previous posts.
The problem is that the american administration used the JSF to used up quite a goo margin of european R&D budget for … close to nothing.

Of course it’s normal that for a ésmall fee” of 500 millions you don’t get source code, but when a general is saying that even UK shouldn’t get enough technologies so that the RN couldn’t be able to do important operation of maintenance over their own F-35B.

That is exactly my point. Maybe Denmark, Norway, or whomever just don’t have the technical expertise, or can’t manufacture at the quality/cost necessary to win the JSF contracts. Maybe they just lost to a better manufacturer (possibly UK, Canadian, Australian, or other European manufacturer) and are crying to their government to get them something they couldn’t earn on their own.

BAE has obviously built the expertise necessary to win contracts.

BS, they promised industrial offset, they must get them back, point.

SIRPA = Service d’Information et de Relation Publique des Armées.

That should be easy to understand if you speak english 🙂

The new Marine One will be an EH101 built in the US by LockheedMartin

A MADE IN TEXAS helo isn’t a european one.
European AF use hundreds of made in USA F-16, why the opposite isn’t true ?

If you’re going to try and sell military hardware to the US, the biggest buyer of military hardware in the world, you’re going to have to make what they want.

My point is that the USA made they law so that Europe (or other foreign coutnries) cannot sell to the USA.

Is the Eurofighter built to US requirements? Is the Rafale? Is there a stealthy air superiority fighter like the F/A-22 that the US can buy? Is there a European country that builds a strategic airlifter like the C-17? No, of course not. They are built for the rquirements of European countries. If you want the US to even dream about buying European, they have to make what the US military want.

Dream one baby.

What do european countries make that meets US military needs?

M249 Squad Automatic Weapon – FN
M9 automatic pistol – Baretta
Stryker armored vehicles – based on the MOWAG Pirana (Swiss?)

And why not a Rafale instead of Superhornet ?

I think that the distinction here is that it’s a US led program. If one of the junior partners doesn’t like it, they’re not going to hold up the program for years like Germany did with the Eurofighter radar. The US is going to say “no” and the junior partners will have to live with it. Just like the anouncement at the beginning of this thread.

You has totally missed the political aspect 🙂

And do you think there will be a retraction or apology? HELL no.

An apology from who to whom ?

From the french side, there hasn’t be any problem at all.

Neither us or the american heaquarter want to waste a PR just because of a crappy article I think.

Hi Kovy!
But where is your famous spider pyjamas? 😀

We aren’t on check six 😡

We are on a forum for gentlemen 😀