make sense because France won’t be buying the majority of this product unlike the JSF. And this is more fair? :rolleyes:

Look at the transfer of technology that these country will get.
Abuot the production, the neuron is a demonstrator 🙂

I hope we could get a bit more infos in few days.

What people most fear is that the M2000C doesn´t have Mica capability.

Well, these mirage can fire MICA but we don’t know if the datalink between the radar and the missile guidance system is available. 🙁
Perhaps Brazil will focus on Mica IR.

RDM = radar de merde = ****ty radar :d

Staring from when exactly, Glitter?

It’s almost June and so far only two new Rafales have been seen at Merignac in the whole of 2005: Rafale C 102 and and Rafale B 307. I assume there is a 306 also…but nobody has seen it yet. As far as I’m aware neither have flown yet…but I don’t have confirmation of that so far.

Since the end of 2004 but as you said, something is strange and the released of new rafales too low.
You can easily heard rumors of electronics troubles on french forums.

Without the USA the Taliban will still rule Afghanistan.

In 96-97, the french government of Mr Juppé wanted to help cmdt MAssous against the Taliban, but the american gov refused that. :dev2:

We showed ’em pretty damn good in WWII. The thing is, if we want it bad enough we’ll win. Period. And everybody knows it. Stings doesn’t it?

Well, if Germany was your neighbourg, it wouldn’t have been so obvious I think.

Again! Sources please not just an opinion backed up by hot air and prejudice. If you won’t provide hard evidence to back up your claims I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.

I really hate this kind of tactics.
dismissing abvious facts.

http://www.latribune.fr/Dossiers/defense.nsf/DocsWeb/IDC1256F950039F30AC1256F2800110646?OpenDocument
la commande des 59 avions de combat Rafale F-3 pour un montant de plus de 3 milliards d’euros. Une enveloppe de 3,114 milliards d’euros est prévue en crédits de paiement dans le budget du ministère de la Défense.
1 Rafale F3 = 52 millions.

Ouch, I can’t find the very recent UK deal only, but I find that
http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=988

“The negotiations are finished,” a spokesman for Eurofighter told the paper, which said the agreement to build 236 Eurofighter aircraft, worth around €14 billion ($18.5 billion), will be signed by the end of the year
:p

Yes, but still more expansive then the Rafale production. At the end of it’s assembling process, all Typhoon parts combined have seen more of europe then I did during the last ten years.

Right.
It’s an easy and efficient way to lowered the cost of the Typhoon, but it comes with a very high political cost.

The British paid more for more jets ? What is strange about that ? Besides this, I think development costs are here mixed in, too.

THey paid EACH planes more than the cost of a Rafale.
I think that the link I posted doesn’t include that since the industrial like to split these cost in PR.

Additionally, the advantage of the larger order will come into play mostly with tranche 3. Here I would suspect a definately lower price for the Typhoon.

The RAfale F3 is already lower than the Typhoon.
How can you make it go down by pouring more money into that program ?

And even if it would be 1,2 million more expansive compared to the Rafale, it would well be worth it.
It offers the larger radar

YEs, the mecanical one.

the higher cruising speed and the better supersonic performance. It is the better pure fighter.

I fear it’s a bit more complicated.

The advantages of the Rafale are somehow not that critical to the needs of my country. Larger external fuel tanks, a higher theoretical maximum (a2g !) loadout, larger ferry range (due to 2 more wetpoints). And of course the naval variant.

Better range and better playload are nothing ?
I’m happy for you

No, it isn’t. Simply because there are 4 national production lines, 4 national logistic centers, 4 national sh!t of everything.

4 assembly lines. Not 4 production lines.

To compare the production costs, we should take the fly away prices. Could you provide the numbers of the C/B-model Rafales ? How many exactly at which price ?
I think the British order comes pretty close in numbers. Got someone the prices for the British order at hand ? 😀

Few months ago, UK spend more money on a limited typhoon tranche2 than France with fully develloped Rafale F3 even when the french gov bought less planes.