Hard ? That ?

Try that one at 1’05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buPgPfoVC9M

ooh oooh ooh, tell me more!

What am I looking at there? CFTs, weapons pods underwing and jamming equipment on the wing tips or something more?

Is this image a Rafale 2020 affair or something for the domestic market?

I crave news of future Rafale….:)

I haven’t read that A&C but that picture remind me of the “stealth” Rafale with coffin-like element to lowered the RCS.

Nothing to do with Qatar. What’s your point ?:o

His point is that a source can be utterly nonsense.

3. New version of “Novi Avion” in LIFT version is also on offer. In this version aircraft would be able to fly at M1.6 , max altitude 17km , 1 x 30 mm cannon and up to 6,000 Kg of armament on 11 hard points. Journalist does recognise that LIFT version of “Novi Avion” is copy of French Rafale (original version of “Novi Avion” was supposed to be single engine Rafale.)Please note that below image has tiger painted on the front fuselage and that is current symbol of 98th Aviation Base armed with Orao ground attack aircrafts (if I am wrong please correct me)

Oh, my god, nobody saw it coming, the infamous mini-rafale 😀
As somebody already wrote, such a projet, put in stand by for 20 years, is a dead one.

And in that specific case, and with the extremely succesful sales of the Rafale to foreign AF (yes, it’s sarcasm), Im not sure anymore of the support from Dassault.

Of course, EVERYTHING can happen, but from UAE, wasting their money isn’t in their habits.

Having said that, is Barracuda the future of European UCAV efforts?

Only Germany and Spain are working on it, the nEUROn has much more countries attached to it 😎

However, I think what I would like to say (if i could have my time again) is that I cannot see France doing a multi-lateral project of this magnitude unless it is allowed to dominate the programme.

Let’s be clear about that question of the will to dominate the european program back in 70’s.
France supported that request from Dassault because we wanted a more versatile plane than the british (specially the ability to land on a carrier), so the requirement was because DA had the best experience for such a plane AND to be sure that the project wouldn’t lost the goal we wanted.

Of course, there is the issue of spliting the work of the wings design and FBW devellopement which brought lots of troubles for the typhoon.

If France can produce an enhanced version of Rafale to last another 30 years then that puts it in a very select club of countries able and willing to manufacture and export LO technology.

Well, let’s see if 2013 bring lots of good news for Dassault, but anyway, all experts agreed that the lonely ride of Dassault will certainly meet an end very soon, giant deal with India or not.

You have said “15 years”, not “last 15 years”, fair enough.
Neverthelessl, please name me the era of those fifteen years of halted development..

You should also be able to at least roughly compare the products of Russia vs Europe BEFORE and AFTER the alleged development gap with clear explanation in what way the Euros have progressed so far ahead as you claim.

Well, I understand why we had some problem on that question. I must admit that I wanted to write 10-15 years and not a straight and hard “15” but I was a bit lazy to correct it.

So, for the period I have in mind is of course the Boris Eltsine + a bit more before and after.
I tried to find a long thread on a french forum with people much more skilled than me about the russian equipement, but I cannot find it back.
There was a consensus of “around one decade lost” but according to which field you have in mind, figures can be different, in the navy, we can even think of 2 decades, but for aerospace, it is not, obviously.

Anyway, I would like to apologize for my lack of clarity in my first post. 😮

So, basically, yes, you can find highly competent people overthere in most highly technical domains… the one domain in which Serbia is lacking is funding, which is the very major reason why they aren’t a bigger actor in areas like weapons sales and such… To quote a movie that probably most around here have seen:

“No bucks, no Buck Rogers…”

I don’t think that the point of Swerve or Fedaykin was that Serbia don’t have highly qualified engineers.
It was more that even if you gather many Serbian experts, you must rebuilt everything, from experience to methods, tools, etc.
Sure, if UAE have a budget of 10 billions and can wait 10 years for that, sure, they will have a Serbian supersonic trainer.
But you must admit that it doesn’t make sense.

It should be noted that the VVS was apparently setting out pretty harsh criteria for acceptance into service, so comments about reliability problems should be qualified by considering the benchmark it was measured against. IIRC they were looking for a MTBF of 200 hours, which is ambitious for ANY non-AESA radar, let alone one built in the 1980s with Soviet electronics (even newer systems like the EL/M-2032, RDY or Kopyo-M are typically in the 100 to 150h ballpark)!

That’s a very interesting detail and 200 hours sound a very ambitious target indeed.

Agreed. But we need to look at the original question here: Is glitter right in statting that the development in Russia was halted for the last 15 years?

I really said that, are you sure ?

but AESA in consideration, does seem European companies are further along with the Rafale being delivered in AESA configureation already

Well, I just hope that the european cooperation will survive the budget issues of now ….