the US was the main market for US-weapons system
No doubt about it but Europe is still a fantastic customer for US comapgnies.
They wouldn’t be happy the day the EU would adopt a very protective law as exist in USA. :diablo:
What ever happened to the purchase of sixty Eurofighter by the Greek government a few years back? Are they still intent on going ahead with this acquisition or are they reviewing the selection? Cheers
With a new governement and an unxecpected very expensive Olympic games, I fear the worst for the greeks Eurofighter.
Or mirage 2000 made in India 🙂
I’ve got a hard time to imagine these plane at more than mach 1.
Even if the NH-90 is a helluva good helo (I remember during the last bourget, the Indian Druvh have been impressive but was nothing in comparison with the NH-90) but is really, REALLY expensive, really.
Cheaper in which way? Armed Paveway drops haven’t been done yet. Just captive carry, dead drops, and no press releases saying guided drops have been done. Hang all that crap on a Gripen and it will just spend more time going for the tanker. Add to that using slow basket refueling. Boom refueling with the F-16 goes at about 5000+ lbs per minute. Less time on the jet. Hard to be “cheaper” when there isn’t a complete “apples to apples” ability, especially in the A2G setup which is already known, tested, proven with the F-16.
Yes, the grippen hasn’t done in dew years what took the F-16 something like 20 years.
Given the anemic level of spending by many other European countries defense departments ( in an age of mass cutting….. look at the news ).
Bush or Kerry, let’s see the american military budget in the close future
The offset contract suggested this. By the way, they already produce parts for the Gripen.
The Polish politicians thought they are clever. Additional investments from the US (for example the P&W engine assembly line ) as well as the work-share in the Gripen. A bit to greedy, in my opinion.
Poland built some parts of Dassault falcon too 😉
The Poland deal will be stood up with 3 colors of U.S. taxpayer giveaways.
I am sure it wont be a problem. The stupid U.S. taxpayer always comes through on give away deals like this. In reality the 3.8 ? billion deal works out to be more like 6 billion once all the giveaways ( U.S. taxpayer offsets, are added up). Robbing the U.S. taxpayer is what the military industrial complex in my country is good at. The Polish deal isn’t especially hard to do.
Please, don’t tell that after EU give 5 billions to Poland.
If LM promised so much, they know what they are doing.
What happened in Poland will certainly push europe to be more “agressive” the next time an eastern country want to buy new fighters.
Sorry for polluting but your PM storage is full.
But glitter, where do you see Iran developing civilian nuclear technologies?
They said themself they intend to build a nuclear weapon.
google
first link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3588694.stm
Tehran says its nuclear programme is designed solely to provide energy.
And BTW, there are other muslim countries in the middle east with comprehensive indutrial basis, like the UAE and other small oil riched countries. And I don’t see them saying they need nuclear technology.
1) No, there aren’t. Even UAE is a joke in comparison of Iran or Irak.
2) Very small country, wouldn’t make sense.
reduced RCS? I don’t think Gripen, Mig-29 or F-16 have any reduced RCS(it still doesn’t matter even if they did, much like for the F-18E/F cuz they carry their weapons externally)
A plane like the mirage 2000 is definitively harder to catch on radar than any non stealth aircraft.
Though I do like the F-16blk60 better than Typhoon or Rafale or even F-18E/F(which sucks)
The topic should have been “no love for the super hornet”
I think we all know how desperately Iran and Iraq need nuclear energy.
Iran and Irak are the two only muslin countries in middle east with a comprehensive industrial basis, I don’t see anything wrong for them to mastered the nuclear civilian technologies.
Of course, I always heard that the selling in Irak was the best reactor to gain military and was so akward that the french administration was very please of the bombing of Osirak.
It’s really a dark story of the Chirac biography.
As for Gripen, actually the Gripen’s operating costs are smaller than that of latest M2Ks and F-16blk50, Gripen is said to have $2000/h, while M2K and F-16blk50 are probably around $4000-$5000. Mig-29SMT is said to be around $5500 but I am not sure about that. The Gripen is not much more than the F-16blk50 sells for, and if not less than the M2K.
I always heard figures like
grippen 2200$/hour
M2000 2600$
F-16 block 50 3500$
Mirage 2000-5 appears to be easier to handle due to its lower wing loading. It also appears to have lower maintenance. However, the Mirages are getting too pricey. I don’t like the sixties style aerodynamic design either. An M2000 might be very good in instantaneous turns, but subsequently afterwards might bleed too much energy in sustained turns. Against an opponent with better energy retention, an M2000 needs to get its kill within the first few turns of combat or it becomes a sitting duck as combat is prolonged.
Using a real modern engine would be a fantastic upgrade for the mirage 2000.
it’s a nuke, when do you see ANYONE selling Nukes? stupid comment
Never heard of the USA ?
EDIT: grillé par Bélénos :p
Sure the Gripen is nice if your country is the size of Switzerland, has barely any hostile air threats, friendly with western nations and the money. Other wise you need alot of bases to get that leg-less Gripen anywhere, not to mention Swedish export policies and the fact that it’s much more costlier than other fighters of it’s class and costlier than some versions of new F-16s! 😮 and people thought i was crazy.. 😀
The block 60 is twice more expensive than the grippen to buy and very expensive to use in comparison of former version.
Not tomorrow mon ami, but in the past.
The Israeli Jericho 1 was built with French assistent,
And that’s without mentioning the nuclear capablity that France do sell (Dimona and Osirak, just two examples).
France and Israel worked together to master the nuclear technology for a bomb.
And France sells nuclear plant, not nucler weapons.
No political strings? not quite.. You buy French, the French (or Dassault) will squeeze you out of your money, just ask the Peruvians.
That’s expensive, point.
with the exception of the F-16, all american stuff is expensive too.
Ask the saudis who wanted to replace their still unpaied Abrams.
There is a degree of legend and misunderstanding that the Grioen is a real warplane as the latest Bolck 52+ – in terms of true and proven multifuncltional capability
Is it kind of joke ?
The STOL capability is another marketing trick of the Gripen Int’l as there is no any NATO requirement for operating from road bases (anyway, the Norge AF still operates its F-16s from spartan bases with 800×30-metre long runways, often in icy condition – so no difference than the Gripen’s road strips).
NAto requirements don’t shoot ennemies aircraft.
The Grippen has been made with that requirement in mind, not the F-16.
How easy is the maintenance in basic condition ?
NATO requires ops only from main operating bases where interoperability is a key issue and here the F-16 also excells.
For how long ?
The F-16 will be replace few years after 2010.
The offset issue, highlihted deals with the economy aspect of the deal, nothing to do with the combat performance
That’s the problem.
LM promised ltos of things, and very few have become a reality since then.
BTW, if dassault would have had the same support of the french governement, they could have tripled the sum of their offset, GM and other american compagnies have been incorporated in that.
But the main investor in Poland these last years has been France, not the USA.