glitterSoon after France started working on their own design (instead of remaining with eurofighter project), many critics called Rafale an abyss for billions. Of many reasons that french cited for their pull out of typhoon consortium was that Typhoon wont b a good export model.
Wrong
The main technical reason is that UK and France didn’t have the same goal, spacially because of the naval version for the French navy.
From a political point of view, Dassault is leaded by morons.
but s’pore isn’t buying a big fleet of rafales either (even if they win that order). i think the first batch is what, 12 birds?
I heard many times that Singapore will buy more planes after that to make a consistent duo with the JSF.
but what will france do about the next generation fighter plane AFTER rafale??? 😉 they cant go alone to develop something like the F-22/F-35, the cost would be astronomical.
Well, Snecma and Dassault have several ties with Russia now.
Thales has several project with european compagnies, like the AMSAR.
But Typhoon will also boost up weapons integration within Tranche 2.
For now, both Rafale and Eurofighter are closer to a joke than a real plane.
And imho in the end it will gain a clear lead over Rafale, simply because they have 4 (or 5) nations paying for the development, while France has to pay all alone.
And what ?
Most upgrade are common european programm (Metoer, AMSAR)
To Saleem Y Hatoum
Sorry, all your post is flawed so I won’t reply to it.
glitterExcuse me but putting the MICA after Derby and Skyflash is simply a joke …
Derby has no Datalink and as such a ridiculous effective range …
Skyflash has no active radar and as such is far beyond any active air-to_air missile …
Glad to see that someone noticed that.
I find strange that a real senior engineer can say something that stupid.
Moreover, it seems to me that the seeker of the meteor will be directly derived from the one of the MICA …
Well, that’s a bit strange.
Both MICA and METEOR seeker have lots of swedish technologies inside (please if someone could confirm) BUT the French AF want the “same” seeker so that their won’t get the METEOR one or two years after the British or Sweden AF.
glitterLOL
“Rafael” is an abbreviation. It stands for “The Authority for Developing Weapons” in Hebrew.The French fighter “Rafale” is called after one of the angels from the Bible.
Hu ?
Rafale = squall
Rafaël is an angel.
What I know is that rafale/rafael is confusing for most non-french or non-isrealis.
glitterOriginally posted by GDL
From what I have read the addition of phased-array antennas to radars has usually increased their range.
Look in France with the RDY and the RBE2.
glitterOriginally posted by flex297
As for the avionics and radars, the top-line Russian radar for the 29 would be some kind of Zhuk-MSF (? I am a bit confused now) with Pero passive phased array, which is absolutely comparable to slotted APG-68(V) and RDY-2 in terms of range, TWS, A-G modes, simultaneous tracking and emmiting power.
Sorry, a passive phased array has a pretty limited range IIRC.
glitterOriginally posted by phrozenflame
forget blk 60, even m2k-5s and gripen are more expensive…
Are you kidding me ?
Th block 60 is closer to a rafale than a mirage from a financial point of view.
glitterOriginally posted by GDL
Range for starters if the figures released so far are to be believed. The F-35 is also designed to be very maintenance friendly, which will contribute greatly toward lower life cycle costs.
The F-16 is very easy for mainteance, specially for an american plane.
On the other hand, I’m not sure for the block 60.
glitterIIRC, during GW1, saddam “sent” lots of fighters in Iran which refuse to send them back.
glitterOriginally posted by Hydropod
What I am interested is the MICA signs. Does it mean 9 successful firings out of 11 attempts?
The position among the mica might be strange but I remember that they tested 2 “dumb” MICA to analyze if the separation RAfale MICA doesn’t meet aerodynamic troubles.
glitterOriginally posted by A-29
m.ileduets/acidhg,You got the point, it was a joke for 04/01/04, that´s the spirit for that day right?
It was not my intention to be offensive with anyone. If someone got offensive, please accept my apologies.regards,
🙂
😡 😡 😡 😡
DAmn you, the only 01/04 news that I believed.
glitterOriginally posted by pluto77189 Launched a crusade against France? Where, in all the nine hells, did you come up with bush launching a Crusade against FRANCE?
Really ?
Originally posted by pluto77189
There WAS a backlash against France, for not supporting us, but nothing “Launched” by any US official.
Of course that would be a huge mistake.
That’s strange that two tycoons (Mr Conrad black and Murdoch) very closed to Mr Bush launched several lies using press, televisions etc .. without any officials trying to defend an ally.
Of course, I’m sure that the very fact that the USA is opposing France on ALL subject hasn’t anything to do with that.
I don’t speak of local officals who asked to make come back all american soldiers buried in france.
Originally posted by pluto77189
IF you think Bush was behind it, you’re way ignorant of American society–WE are in control, and WE decide what we want, not the president, not Congress, nobody but ourselves.
How naïve.
And don’t you think that lies such like
“Farnce helped Saddam hussein to escape”
“France gave weapons during GW2”
and so on haven’t push people to think in a particular way ?
but you seem to don’t know the own strategy of your country.
Sad.
Originally posted by pluto77189
How do you think WE felt seeing the memorial to our WWII dead –WHO DIED at Normandy to SAVE France– desicrated by French people?????
Sound more plausible that they were frnch people than russian.
Originally posted by pluto77189
Again, all due to the free will of american people, expressing themselves to buisnesses, who acted accordingly.
Quite the opposite indeed.
You cannot go in the “wrong” direction, otherwise ……..
Originally posted by pluto77189
Any thought that it was “orchestrated” by Bush or the white house is a GROSS overestimation of the powers and influence of the US government on its people.
And could you tell me, if Mr bush had wanted to do that, waht mecanism could have prevent him ??
Originally posted by pluto77189
I think ANY big military project is in danger if Kerry is elected. TheF-22 is here, but the JSF has a potentially huge overseas market, and could be saved by Britain, and other export sales.
If the USA buy less JSF, it’s more or less dead since foreign sales shouldn’t be that important (at first) in comaprison of the american sales.
glitterOriginally posted by pluto77189 Launched a crusade against France? Where, in all the nine hells, did you come up with bush launching a Crusade against FRANCE?
Really ?
Originally posted by pluto77189
There WAS a backlash against France, for not supporting us, but nothing “Launched” by any US official.
Of course that would be a huge mistake.
That’s strange that two tycoons (Mr Conrad black and Murdoch) very closed to Mr Bush launched several lies using press, televisions etc .. without any officials trying to defend an ally.
Of course, I’m sure that the very fact that the USA is opposing France on ALL subject hasn’t anything to do with that.
I don’t speak of local officals who asked to make come back all american soldiers buried in france.
Originally posted by pluto77189
IF you think Bush was behind it, you’re way ignorant of American society–WE are in control, and WE decide what we want, not the president, not Congress, nobody but ourselves.
How naïve.
And don’t you think that lies such like
“Farnce helped Saddam hussein to escape”
“France gave weapons during GW2”
and so on haven’t push people to think in a particular way ?
but you seem to don’t know the own strategy of your country.
Sad.
Originally posted by pluto77189
How do you think WE felt seeing the memorial to our WWII dead –WHO DIED at Normandy to SAVE France– desicrated by French people?????
Sound more plausible that they were frnch people than russian.
Originally posted by pluto77189
Again, all due to the free will of american people, expressing themselves to buisnesses, who acted accordingly.
Quite the opposite indeed.
You cannot go in the “wrong” direction, otherwise ……..
Originally posted by pluto77189
Any thought that it was “orchestrated” by Bush or the white house is a GROSS overestimation of the powers and influence of the US government on its people.
And could you tell me, if Mr bush had wanted to do that, waht mecanism could have prevent him ??
Originally posted by pluto77189
I think ANY big military project is in danger if Kerry is elected. TheF-22 is here, but the JSF has a potentially huge overseas market, and could be saved by Britain, and other export sales.
If the USA buy less JSF, it’s more or less dead since foreign sales shouldn’t be that important (at first) in comaprison of the american sales.
glitterOriginally posted by A-29
Guys,Another headache for the Brazilian President.
According to a very well informed colunist from one of the most important Brazilian newspapers, the report prepared by the comission headed by the Minister of Defense sugests the purchase of the F-16 Viper.
“Surprisingly” a few weeks ago the US joint chief of Staff, Gen. Richard Myers came here and had meeting with the Brazilian AF Commander in chief, the Minister of Defense. So, let´s wait.
And what kind of pressure the General Myers can haev towards Brazil ?
glitterOriginally posted by Transall
So, they think buying Su-35’s wil save money and aid employment. Like no Germans work for EADS.:rolleyes:Best regards, Transall.
At least, they could have said that the Rafale was the frontrunner, not the Su-35
glitterOriginally posted by pluto77189
On to the election…
Someone mentioned the potential impacts of Kerry in office.
THAT worries me. He initially voted FOR the WAR, then when he began to show interst in running for pres., he flipped, and starting being critical, because HE was;t getting votes from War supporters–Bush war.
Since the whole world think just like MR Kerry that Mr Bush twisted the information, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Originally posted by pluto77189
Kerry ‘s ONLY hope was to appeal to Liberal, left-wingers, who are anti-war, pro-abortion, anti military, pro-UN control, and anti-tax-cut.
😆 😆
Originally posted by pluto77189
Bush, like him, hate him, disagree with him, is almost PERFECTLY consistent.
Consistent ?
And what about that he has spoke for years of “War of terror” but launched a crusade against France, a top leader in the struggle vs terrorism ?
I don’t speak of the fact that his “war” is a joke.
Originally posted by pluto77189
the F-22 is in serious danger if Kerry is elected.
F-22 or JSF ?
Originally posted by pluto77189
Kerry has been consistent in just 2 things–tax increases, and defense cuts. He voted to KILL the F-15, the B-1, the B-2, the patriot missles, and many many more I cannot remember.
Yes, in the middle of the cold war, he tried to suppres the whole american army.
And you speak of consistency ?
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