Originally posted by pluto77189

On to the election…
Someone mentioned the potential impacts of Kerry in office.
THAT worries me. He initially voted FOR the WAR, then when he began to show interst in running for pres., he flipped, and starting being critical, because HE was;t getting votes from War supporters–Bush war.

Since the whole world think just like MR Kerry that Mr Bush twisted the information, I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Originally posted by pluto77189

Kerry ‘s ONLY hope was to appeal to Liberal, left-wingers, who are anti-war, pro-abortion, anti military, pro-UN control, and anti-tax-cut.

😆 😆

Originally posted by pluto77189

Bush, like him, hate him, disagree with him, is almost PERFECTLY consistent.

Consistent ?
And what about that he has spoke for years of “War of terror” but launched a crusade against France, a top leader in the struggle vs terrorism ?
I don’t speak of the fact that his “war” is a joke.

Originally posted by pluto77189
the F-22 is in serious danger if Kerry is elected.

F-22 or JSF ?

Originally posted by pluto77189
Kerry has been consistent in just 2 things–tax increases, and defense cuts. He voted to KILL the F-15, the B-1, the B-2, the patriot missles, and many many more I cannot remember.

Yes, in the middle of the cold war, he tried to suppres the whole american army.
And you speak of consistency ?

Originally posted by PAF Fan
and Pakistan has been holding talks with France for the supply of Mirage 2000 warplanes.

Yes, nothing too serious indeed.

Originally posted by sumeet1981
The money flowing into french hands from this deal could well be used towards purchase of rafale for french air force or further development of the aircraft.

Rafale for French AF ?
the moeny will be for Dassault, so Dassault will be able to launch several program of upgrade for mirage or Rafale but certainly not free-Rafale for our AF.

Weak dollar raises fears of French SME exodus

30th Mar – 5th Apr 2004

Strength of euro is driving companies abroad as they come under pressure to cut prices

The continuing strength of the euro against the US dollar may prove fatal to several French aerospace small and medium-sized enterprises (SME) that remain unprotected by currency hedging and under heavy pressure from prime contractors to lower their prices. Some SMEs are relocating out of France and the eurozone in an effort to keep costs down.

Henri Martre, president of the strategic committee of French aerospace industries association GIFAS, says: “The purchasing department of primes is the first place where cost reductions are sought. This is a danger for our SMEs. This issue is a time bomb whose full effects will be felt in three or four years.”

Jean-Marie Virepinte, who represents the SMEs within GIFAS, says they are “being put under a great deal of pressure to lower their prices from the primes who themselves need to keep their euro costs down, but the added value of SMEs is 80-85% of their revenues”. He says that to try and keep their own costs down, “some SMEs have already moved to Morocco, Tunisia and eastern Europe”.

Philippe Camus, president of GIFAS and co-chief executive of EADS, says that even if Europe’s aerospace industries are increasingly establishing sales contracts in euros, “that is not the problem. The problem is in costs, which we have in euros, and our competitors outside the eurozone have in dollars.”

He adds that although the exchange rate has had a “weak” impact on financial results of the majors, who are all hedged against the dollar for the next two or three years, “the cost will be several billion euros once the hedging arrangements expire”.

Dassault chief executive Charles Edelstenne says that when the manufacturer submitted its offer last November in response to Brazil’s fighter aircraft tender, “the price we set in euros was exactly the same as it had been 18 months earlier but given the difference in the exchange rate between the real, the euro and the dollar, it would actually cost Brazil 20-30% more”. In May 2002 the euro was worth 2.3 Brazilian reals and the dollar 2.5 reals, but by November 2003 the euro was worth 3.5 reals while the dollar was still worth only 2.9 reals. “We cannot take responsibility for the added cost due to exchange rate fluctuations; it would bankrupt our company immediately,” Edelstenne says.

Meanwhile, the estimated total sales of France’s aerospace industries in 2003 was €25 billion ($30 billion), up from €24.6 billion in 2002. Of this, €16.6 billion (or 66%) was in the civil sector (down from €17.8 billion in 2002), with the remaining €8.5 billion in the military sector, sharply up from the €6.8 billion in 2002.

Exports accounted for €15.5 billion, up from €13.8 billion a year earlier, largely due to a 48% jump in military exports. An estimated €40 billion worth of orders were taken, of which 59% were civil and 41% military.

Originally posted by Malandro Unfortunetly I think he’s right . Dassault only offered technology transfer . Russians offered it to as well as 3 billion of offset at another productts

Your own article said that DAssault would give little transfert of technologies.

I fear that nobody really know about DAssault-Embraer 😉

Originally posted by Srbin

-Rafale, it’s very similar to Typhoon, similar in cost and performance but will be bought in twice the less numbers and I don’t see it bought by anyone else besides France and possibly few others.

Ok, and then ?

Make a copy/paste of the URL in your browser.

Originally posted by cyb
Human rights violation?? Ah, lets not go there boy. Too many skeletons in your(EU) closet. One has to only look at the last century to see it. That is if one ignores all the blood spilt in the last thousand years.

One easily forgets what is convinient.

That’s not the point actually.