Originally posted by Distiller
In Europe developments and upgrades are done to keep the industry employed and happy, not to provide the troops with additional capabilities.

Yeaaah, LM and Boeing don’t get a single dollar of benefit from the doD.
they are doing all this for free.

Originally posted by Distiller
The European industry simply doesn’t know what actually works in real world combat.

Look at the miarge 2000.
Do you understand the difference between a first 2000 C in 84 and a -mk2 now ??

About Brazil, IIRC, the winner should be known in few months.
Am I wrong ?

Originally posted by Sauron
Just a lot of hot air. Dassault is a sore looser.

Sauron

The dassault representant have been accused of brides for several restaurants (5000$ in all).

But the colonel who said that Boeing paid several millions to high ranked officer was put to jail :d

how much will it cost to buy 125 M2ks??

Assuming the costs are around 60 million, (some sources say its higher, some says its lower…)

We’re talking about 7-8 BILLION dollars of ORDERS!

Can India afford these? Dont forget the logistics, weapons, training and other initial costs…it could go upto 10 billion dollars.

Say if its done…where will the LCA be standing in the whole picture???

Well, as long as we don’t know the details of the deal with Dassault, we cannot know the price of each mirage.
but we can assume that it would be still a bit high.

Then, logistics etc ..
From mirage 2000 H to 2000-5, the IAF will haev to update the knowledge of maintenance crew etc .., right but not as expensive as you may think.

But you forgot the main point, MAINTENANCE.
Getting ride of several hundreds MIG would save quite a high sum.

Except with the funding problem, why everyone assume that if the IAF buy more mirage, it means that the LCA is in trouble ?

Perhaps the normal agenda of the LCA is a bit short.

Well, I won’t add anything about the Sun article.

PAF fan
The EF2000 bring you high technologies, military independance .
that’s not only about pure income/outcome.

Why do you think china and India are develloping fighters of their own ?

For me, the problem is that with an incredibly high deense budget, the USA can cut some program.

If Mr Kerry must be the next president, you can be sure that it will drop by quite a margin.

Which is next ?

Originally posted by V_S
Glitter,

What about the plans to upgrade the Rafale with AMSAR…have those been axed as well?

It’s a bit more complex.
Thales ans others compagnies have a deal to make the AMSAR, a european AESA with different technologies for much more cheaper MMIC than american MMIC of 90’s.

But next, you must use these MMIC to make a new array for the rafale ….. something that the AdA don’t want since

1) low intensity conflict RBE2 + SPECTRA can handle threats
2) High intensity conflict Awacs + link16 is the happy couple. 😉

BUT for AF since each AESA Rafale wouldn’t need external support and could act alone.

Since Singapor has Hawkeye, that wouldn’t be a real argument.
ToT for AEASA is