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February 1, 2004 at 8:53 pm in reply to: Mica vs AMRAAM #2650869

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Originally posted by MarocMirage
The MICA can withstand up to 50 G-forces, what about the AMRAAM?

The MICA can sustain high G at the end of the trajectory.

how much for the AMRAAM ? 😀

January 31, 2004 at 9:10 am in reply to: Mirage 2000-9 vs F-16 block 52, lets end it for all #2652080

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Re: Mirage 2000-9 vs F-16 block 52, lets end it for all

Originally posted by F-18 Hamburger
Mirage 2000 known for good operational rates, maintenance and fuel consumption.

Fuel consumption ?
I find severalsites which stated that the M53 is outdated and that a new engine could be a very nice boost for the range.

http://www.mirage-jet.com/Propulsion/M53/m53.HTM

January 30, 2004 at 11:20 pm in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2652346

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I always heard that france and Isreal get their nuclear bombs at the SAME TIME back in 60’s.

January 30, 2004 at 10:41 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652361

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Originally posted by PAF Fan
Er… they worked with Bae systems on Al Yamamah, I think that qualifies them for some sort of comment!

NOt at all.
What did they ? They gave advices about how to introduce things and all, nothing related to the army I think.

Look at their article, it’s more like a press release.

Originally posted by PAF Fan
Saudi pilots training includes

US and British systems
Air to air refueling
acting with AWACS systems
participation in Rad Flag exercises
Purchase of CUBIC ACMI device

Many modern and competent air forces do not have this level of training….

And what about giving REAL arguments ?
that doesn’t show anything but that the RSAF has plenty of money (or should I say used to have)

Originally posted by PAF Fan
Now I ask you again! Proof about Saudi pilots being crap!? I have asked you 4 times now. You have not provided any. Rather then resorting to name calling, it would far more gracious of you and dare I say mature, to simply admit you got it wrong! There is no shame in that.

I’ve got the opinion of a pilot instructor, sorry, that’s enough for me.

Originally posted by PAF Fan
Nice try Sharmaji, but llets stick the subject and the focus of this debate, I am enjoying making you and flex look like clowns! 🙂

Be serious please.

Originally posted by PAF Fan You are talking about “PILOT QUALITY”, giving me a Israel supporters website aint proof buddy……..

Of course, a website from the country with perhas the best pilots in the world, how accurate can it be ?
I think another link with the opinion of a general from the vatican should be much better 😀

January 30, 2004 at 4:37 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652793

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http://www.unigis.mmu.ac.uk/

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Ok, ok, they don’t know anything about military things.

January 30, 2004 at 3:03 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652884

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Originally posted by PAF Fan

Now give me ONE shred of prood about how crap Saudi pilots are!?

Tell us exactly what kind of proof is good enough for you.

January 29, 2004 at 2:57 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2654335

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Originally posted by kfadrat
I’ll have to ask any of you attacking Saudi Arabia who have the slightest idea what they are talking about to step forward, who the hell of you ever lived in Saudi Arabia ? who at least visited the country ? NONE I presume .

What a nonsense.
Perhaps in your crappy country, information are controled by the gov, in modern democracies, it’s not the case anymore.

Originally posted by kfadrat

I KNOW SAUDI ARABIA, waaaaaaaaaaaay much better than any of the idiots talking about the country as if they were real experts, well here this : YOU ARE SOURE LOOSERS !..

I’m french but I know more things about the USAF than an american hippy.

Originally posted by kfadrat

Saudi aircraft don’t fly, right, all these birds that used to show up daily over my house were just imaginations.

Can you show me the post with
“the RSAF can’t fly a single plane” written in it ?
No. And you know why ?
Because you know that you can’t show us the greatness of the RSAF.

Originally posted by kfadrat

you know it is a very bad thing when a nations grows in number, it seems when ever a nation grows, even if it is supposed to be the source of wisdome around the world some members of it must be very stupid !.

All I know is that Saudi Arabia spend billions each year to send fanatics all around the world to say “Allah is the greatest, kill all who disagree”.

but you know how life is.
cheap oil is good.

January 29, 2004 at 2:52 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2654339

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Originally posted by SOC
Well, there’s this wet, sticky black stuff…

the Saudi Arabia haven’t paid USA and UK for the lastest batch of heavy gear (F-15, M1 and tornados)

January 28, 2004 at 4:22 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2655388

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Originally posted by PAF Fan
http://www.indepthinfo.com/iraq/airwar.shtml

“In an effort to demonstrate their own air offensive capability, on 24 January the Iraqis attempted to mount a strike against the major Saudi oil refinery in Abqaiq. Two Mirage F-1 fighters laden with incendiary bombs and two MiG-23s (along as fighter cover) took off from bases in Iraq. They were spotted by US AWACs, and two Royal Saudi Air Force F-15s were sent to intercept. When the Saudis appeared the Iraqi MiGs turned tail, but the Mirages pressed on. Captain Iyad Al-Shamrani, one of the Saudi pilots maneuvered his jet behind the Mirages and shot down both aircraft. After this episode, the Iraqis made no more air efforts of their own, only sending most of their jets to Iran in hopes that they might someday get their air force back. (Iran never returned the jets.)”

The point is US AWACs

anyway, that shows they can push some buttons, that’s a good news 😀

January 28, 2004 at 4:20 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2655391

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Originally posted by PAF Fan

I said give me proof that Saudi officers are crap, implying they are crap because one defence contractor has lots of people working there is pure and utter BS!

In most armies, you can achieve a good carrer thanks to your skills.
It doesn’t work like that in SA.

Like I said, why did they buy Tornados and Eagle that they can’t maintain or even fly (lots of Pakistanese pilots IIRC) ?
Hardly a proof of the saudi competence.

Originally posted by PAF Fan

The RAF with have thousands of Bae people working for them on their Eurofighter and other projects especially now they are privatising more and more, those that make RAF officers crap!? No!

The EF2000 isn’t ready, so it’s not the same.
Tornados and F-15 are there for nearly 20 years.

Originally posted by PAF Fan
My mates uncles cousins boyfriend said all Indian pilots are crap! Is that true!?

Perhaps you missed the word PILOTS.

I will make it even more simple.
No arab AF have got good pilots and most arab pilots find the Saudi pilots to be craps.

January 28, 2004 at 12:48 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2655649

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Originally posted by PAF Fan

Saddam invaded Kuwait yet did not gop into Saudi! Why did he stop at teh Saudi border!? There were no US/UK troops there at the time, only teh Saudi army! Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the Saddam knew Saudi would put up a good fight!?

Saudi would have been a serious opponent but no one can believe that SH could lost.
WHy je didn’t try ? Because his goal was to take over Koweit, not Saudi Arabia.
He thought that nobody would say anything about it but was sure that if he touch SA, all western nations would attack him.

Originally posted by PAF Fan
Can someone give me a single shred of evidence proving that the Saudi AF is poorly trained!? No they cant!

1) He personaly met french instructors in UAE. And Emirates pilots said them that Saudi pilots are crap.
2) Saudis are so lazy that they can’t maintain their own planes.
On the other hand, when you’ve got a crap ground crew, you don’t buy Tornados, F-15 and M1, so crappy officers.

Originally posted by PAF Fan

Sure they have some maintanence personal from manufacturers, but so does India!!!!!!!

How much french engineers in India ?

January 27, 2004 at 3:19 pm in reply to: What happened to Rafale D ? #2656679

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Originally posted by SabreAce
Does this mean that the Rafale is’nt quite stealthy as hyped up to be? (Still way better than Eurofighter)

the Rafale has never been supposed to be stealt, just LO or low RCS, nothing more.

Hell, even a little mirage 2000 isn’t that easy to track in a heavy jam.

January 27, 2004 at 3:06 pm in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2656687

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Re: The Royal Saudi Air Force

Originally posted by troung
IThe RSAF got 72 F-15S (Slightly downgraded F-15E)

Slightly ?
I always heard “HEAVILY downgrade F-15 E”

January 27, 2004 at 2:58 pm in reply to: MiG-29SMT flight tests with 'Zhuk-MEh' #2656698

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Originally posted by Wolverine
range isnt the biggest problem here. end game manouverability is. but its a software problem more than anything else. a simple lofted is nothing a minor upgrade cant handle.

Sorry, you’re totally wrong on that.

The manoeuvrability at the end of the envellope is related to the architecture of the missile.

without fuel or chemical equivalent, an AMRAAM is an empty shell.
If the missile must tuern, it must apply a force at on side … and broke the missile.

MICA or Aster, with a differen system avoid that issue.

January 26, 2004 at 4:34 pm in reply to: Grudge match for fighters in Singapore #2657615

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Re: Re: Grudge match for fighters in Singapore

Originally posted by Scooter
Ja- I hate to say but politics rules the world! T

That’s why Dassault sued SK .
they said “no politics involved here”
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