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Singapore to decide on fighter plane purchase early next year
09/01/2004 at 10:01:05
Singapore expects to decide early next year on its choice of 20 new combat planes worth over one billion US dollars to replace its ageing fighter fleet, Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean said in remarks released here Friday.
“We expect a decision on this matter early next year,” Teo told reporters in France on Thursday as he wrapped up a visit there, according to excerpts of a press conference released by the government.
The island-state, which has one of Asia’s most modern air, land and naval forces, is shopping for 20 warplanes to replace its current fleet of A-4SU Skyhawk combat jets in a deal valued at over a billion dollars.
Last year, Singapore trimmed its list to three possible choices — the Typhoon by European consortium Eurofighter, France’s Rafale and Boeing’s F-15 Eagle.
“We will make our acquisition decisions based on what is the most cost-effective option for us to meet our operational requirement,” Teo said.
“We have shortlisted three aircraft for our New Fighter Replacement Programme and one of those aircraft is a French aircraft, the Rafale. We will be making our evaluations over the coming year and make a decision in due course.”
France has been aggressively pushing to sell the Rafale.
French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, during a visit to Singapore in May, offered a technological partnership with the city-state if the Rafale was chosen.
Singapore also plans to buy naval helicopters and Teo said a decision on its choice would be made within a similar time frame as the fighter jets.
Teo was in France to oversee the launch of Singapore’s first navy frigate with radar-evading stealth capabilities, RSS Formidable, which French company Direction des Constructions Navales built.
The tiny island of four million people considers itself vulnerable to regional instability and spends vast amounts on beefing up its defence and keeping its military and reservists fully trained.
Originally posted by aerospacetech
The Nostradamus radar may be able to detect the B-2 at distance (subject to typical OTH-B radar restrictions). What are you going to do about it? Fire SAMS? Well- they can’t see it. Guide fighters to find it? Well, their radars won’t see it either. About all you can do is vector fighters to the rough area and LOOK for it.
Has someone said, yep.
These kind of radar can’t track planes and have a bad resolution.
but it’s not anymore the 10-15km of the past.
I often read 2 or 5 km.
B-2 or F-22 would be easily detected by “normal” radar and I don’t speak of IR system.
Herr, sorry to bother some of you but unless a fantastic breaktrhought from LM, no “technical switch” can be use on military heavy gear.
CAn you imagine if someone can find the weakness?
Much too dangerous.
Originally posted by SOC
Lower RCS than the EF-2000 or Rafale shouldn’t be too suprising if the XXJ is designed from the start for all-aspect stealth like the F/A-22. The EF-2000 and Rafale designers only focused heavily at reducing head-on RCS.
Yes, on the other hand the RAfale and EAF have been designed in early 80 and I don’t know of the final airframe could have been update with newer datas.
From the link
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm
The overall performance of XXJ is thought to be superior to EF-2000 and Rafale (stealth & agility) but still inferior to F/A-22 (electronics & supercruise).
Better stealth than eurocanards ?
It would be a good news for china but wouldn’t be too exciting since the XXJ is supposed to be ready in 2015 when the european programs have been delayed several years each.
Agility ?
I’m not an expert and I can’t predict “the end of dogfights” but in the future with HMS and very agile short range missiles, who can know how importnt it will be ?
electronics and supercruise, yes, everything that is related to a 5th fighter 😀
Originally posted by Phil Foster
That just about sums up these “experts”.
[MODE EXPERT ON]
Eurofighter SucKsS
Unmanned aicraft Rul3zZ
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Originally posted by Chicken65
Rafale ofcourse!!!:D
I support your choice 😀
Originally posted by flex297
Well, a Rafale / Su-30MK combo seems at least as excessive as Mirage 2000 / MiG-29 / Jaguar / Harrier combination. Yet, it happened within the IAF. I do not think India would like to rely entirely on Russian technology only.Time will show..
Flex
Don’t forget the deal about new mirages 2000
Originally posted by aerospacetech
The radar in question (Nostradamus) is an OTH-B type radar. It is thought that such radars, operating at large wavelengths, would effectively counter stealth because both shaping and RAM become ineffective. Now, traditionally OTH-B radars are also HUUUGEEE, fixed, gobble power like no tomorrow, have no heightfinding capability and poor resolution. You’d know roughly where the target was, but all you could do with that would be vector a fighter to try and find it visually as the fighter’s radar would still be largely useless.It looks like the French are using new processing techniques to effectively overcome these limitations.
IIRC the first nostradamus resolution was around 5km.
The goal is to reach 2km
Originally posted by Blackcat
well then again the radar cancellers is not whats available on MKI, but it can be developed or can be bought from France ….. if they are not wiling to part with that – then just spell out that
Things sound very easy from you;
Originally posted by Sevo
I am not sure if the M88-3 is ready, and the Americans offered the F404 and even the F414. Plus India plans on making the
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Al-31 but I geuss it was a gamble that failed (1998), but then payed off post lifting of sanctions.
I can’t see anything missing you that post.
Another point is that since India is very ambitious with their programm (LCA, Kaveri …) perhpas they choose a “cheaper but not state of the art” engine in case of some troubles with their jet engine.
Originally posted by SerbPVO
One, TV crews didn’t get everywhere. A lot of Macedonians reported incidents in their own country, when something crashed and the Macedonian/US military imidiatelly cordoned off the area and didn’t allow reporters to check out what happend.In Tuzla(Bosnia), where there is a major airfield, there was a recorded incident of an F-117 “Stealth” crash-landing.
Hardly an evidence for me.
Is Serbia such a sh*thole that nobody got camera outhere ?
The serbian authorities refused to show a crashed F-117 ?
Originally posted by SerbPVO
By the way, some ( patriotic?) elements in French military truly helped my country. We recieved entire lists of NATO flight paths and targets, so most of these sites were evacuated before the bombs fell, eliminating the possibility of a terrible loss of life.French-Serbian friendship is still strong:)
That was only a single officer who did that.
During the trial, the conclusion said taht this guy wanted to be seen as a “hero” or something like that.
HE send NATO flight paths ? Doubtful, the AdA went where the US asked them to go.
Originally posted by SerbPVO
One…officially;)
(the one that was shown on TV, obviously NATO had to confirm that loss)
Really ? and the second stealth plane was really invisible so, the TV couldn’t show him ?
Originally posted by SOC
Yeah, and the Brits picked one up way out over the Atlantic going to Farnborough too :rolleyes:Does anyone ever stop and consider that LO aircraft have features enabling them to make themselves more “visible” if you will on radar? Why do they do this? That way nobody gets any RCS data for one, to enable civil radars to track the aircraft and not accidentially land a 747 on the back of a B-2, and for airspace management in a war zone. You can be sure that the aircraft was fully “stealthified” when it got to the target area.
YEs, but the rumors said that the Nostradamus near PARIS managed to follow the B-2 from the Atlantic Ocean to Bosnia, so when the B-2 was fully “stealthfied”.
You must understand that the “normal” stealth system of B-2 isn’t effective against a radar like the Nostradamus.
Originally posted by ELP
The maintenance on the Rafale is certainly on par with the SU-3x based on how Harry described the SU-3x maintenance setup.
The maintenance cost of the rafale is on par with those of the su30 ?
As long as I’ve got real proofs of that, I can’t see how it could be possible.
Originally posted by ELP
Rafale claims in their advertising stuff, some interesting ( I would say the wording is “unsafe” ) figures when describing engine life between inspections. Foggy as it doesn’t say what that process is but going 800 hours without at least a scope and visual inspection is asking for trouble.
the 800 hours is a long term goal IIRC.
the very first rafale M engines were quoted for 400 hours and 3 months after, they were complaint for 500 hours.
For now, I don’t know.