Originally posted by PILOTGHT
what ****ing range get edge? give me a A2A Missile who have 100kms range in european arm stock?
of course, if mecanical was so best, why did all world 21th century fighters will get AESA, with a bit less range ?except typhoon! lol
You missed my point, but it’s only a detail as you have already missed so many points on that forum.
1) So a better range is useless ?
That’s a wwonderful news, I’m sure Raytheon and Thales will be glad to know that.
2) Because the primary role of an Ef2000 is A2A whereas for a rafale, even a low tech AESA would make sense (A2A and A2G with ONE radar and in the SAME time)
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
Link 16 was developed by France and others countries, not UK! did rafale will get it? MIDS?
http://www.isoshop.com/dae/dae/gauche/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_2.pdf
the link 16 is French ? Alright.
Just like all major genius in the history of humankind are french.
Francois Newton, Maurice Einstein :d
In your link, perhaps you missed the word WILL in each sentence about the MIDS ?
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
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ohhh, as steve you work for Dassault or you ares close of french pilots! π π [/B]
Air&cosmos and Air Fan are available for everyone.
Re: barbatruc
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
A2A is full operational since 2001! live with it!
The HMS is ready ?
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
artisanal? industrial? what f1ck1ng talking about??
I spoke of connectic troubles.
1) The parts weren”t made in a real industrial way so the problem met by the Navy could disappeared when the Rafale production line will be ready.
2) When a problem arise, spare parts aren’t available most of the time.
3) It ‘s better to have 3 same problems over 24 planes than 1 problem with 8 planes.
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
EF2000 ahead of what? building more bugged fat A2A aircrafts with mecanical relic radar than dassault?the A2G typhoon will not be produced before 2010, at best 2012!
Old relic ? But better detection range.
About your 2010 or 2012, arguments please.
Because the AdA won’t see any RBE2 active array before 2012, for sure.
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
in 6 years, uhmmm typhoon will be not A2G, where rafale will be full operational squadrons of A2G for 4 years, and operate F3 nuke and helmet mounted sigh, better if a client buy it, the french gov could standadise the M88-3C actually under tests, with AESA, all that before 2009! hey!
tu dΓ©lires mon pauvre
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
first A2G testing 1998, OSF 1995!
first A2G in 98 ?
For an “omnirole” fighter, nothing to be proud of.
OSF 95 ? sub system only, the whole put together OSF in 2002, 2003.
And what about the Link16 ?
The RAF has them, where is the AdA ?
Originally posted by PILOTGHT
“As glitter pointed out there is (or was) a software problem. The only maintenance issues highlighted were negative ones.
”where? sources?
are you sure that you’re really interested in the Rafale programm ?
Steve that’s a connectic problem for now.
But I haven’t heard any news about that for months, I don’t know if it’s still an issue.
Originally posted by ELP
The Rafale is completely operational with its’ A2A setup.
That was what Mr Serge DAssault asked to Santa claus.
Originally posted by ELP
The already operational Rafale provides useful real world maintenance info. This is also an advantage.
Yes and no.
As long as the production line is more artisanal than industrial, it’s wrong since industrial process will be greatly update.
Originally posted by ELP
Can the EF2000 match this someday? Probably, but it is behind compared to the Rafale on getting real world items checked off. That only can help the Rafale in a sales environment today.
What I see is that in one or two years, the EF2000 consortium will be ahead of the rafale after what 5 or 6 years ?
Originally posted by ATFscrash
Yawwn! Two fighters which have’nt even finished development vs a fighter that has 109 kills and no losses to it’s record! nuff said!
So, what about the spitfire ? Much more than 109 kills.
Wait a minute, what all these coutnries are doing buying hundreds of crappy, not ready yet JSF ???
How did you say ?
nuff said ?
Originally posted by Aurel
If the JSF is a bit heavier, well no problem. It won’t effect it’s unique advantage: stealth.
The JSF will be very stealth only in the frontal aspect.
Originally posted by Steve Touchdown
Merci, glitter…interesting.Think this could all be one and the same “working group”? This was released by Dassault at the Salon too:
CErtainly, but I must admit that French-Russian joint venture are all a bit fuzzy for me.
Originally posted by Steve Touchdown
Strange…I thought they signed with EADS:EADS, MBDA and Sukhoi team up
Originally posted by Mirage
With Russia and China’s expressed intent on developing 5th generation fighters, can we say that the EU spent all its resources on couple of obsolete ideas,
Dassault is working with Sukhoi π
Anyway, what’s the point of comapring two nearly ready planes, 4,5th gen to two future planes ready in more than 15years ?
Originally posted by Phil Foster
No it doesn’t it shows that they added more to the capability of the aircraft.
what kind of capabilities ?
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Because it was designed to be unstable thats why it is so agile.
And what prevent Dassault of making a more instable airplane knowing that the FBW + control system never met a single problem ?
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Okay we will have to agree to disagree but if you have read the Typhoon supplement in this months AFM you will see that it suggests you might be wrong.
Never read it but it has a pretty bad reputation on fr.rec.aviation.
Originally posted by Phil Foster
If it wasn’t stipulated in the original design brief it ‘was’ stipulated very early on in the design phase, perhaps before the final design was agreed upon so in that respect you ‘might’ be mistaken.
Anyway, the sudden rise of more than one ton of weight show that the first airframe was a failure.
Originally posted by Phil Foster
In any case this doesn’t detract from my argument that if the yanks can turn a dedicated air superiority fighter into a top draw strike fighter (sic F15D to F15E and the F16C which never really changed its designation at all) it only proves that any aircraft can be thus modified. The Typhoon had its strike capability designed into it from a very early stage and it is merely being expanded upon..
the EF2000 is much more instable then the rafale, why ?
Because of the problem with flying at very low altitude + heavy weight with an unstable plane.
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Its engines are slightly but at the same time significantly more powerful than the M88-2 (although I know that the figures given vary widely) and it still has a power to weight ration comparable to the Rafale.
IIRC, the M88 is made to be use in High altitude + Low altitude, longer missions etc than the EF2000 engines.
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Yet the Rafale and the Typhoon were both designed with exceptional A2G capabilities from the very beginning and these capabilities are being expanded all the time.
No, no and no, you’re wrong.
The A2G capabilities of the EF2000 have been pretty new and the empty weight has gain a good 1ton – 1ton and half.
Originally posted by Srbin
no but a damn M2KBR can do about 70% of what an Su-35 can do and costs about 50% more.
1) What about the industrail part of the deal ?
2) 70% ?
When a Su-30 is grounded because one of the engine is broken, how much better is the mirage 2000 ?
3) When a big badass RCS Su-30 will get spotted by the ennemy, how much the lower RCS and better ECM mirage will be ?
Originally posted by Srbin
It’s crazy, I dont see how an 20+ yr old M2KBR can cost 70mil/piece
I find it crazy that you think that because it’s older it’s cheaper.
the 2000Br is a Mirage 2005 mk2, the last version.
Originally posted by phrozenflame
dude u smoking weed?? read the entire post to get the idea of why i posted.
1) Show me a serious source about that dassault proposal to austria.
Originally posted by Avinash
The Argentians have the S-2 Tracker and the French Super Etendard. They would therefore like a carrier with catapults and the size of the Foch. I doubt that the Argentians would buy HMS Invincible. The only countries that would buy the Invincible are those which already operate Harriers. That narrows down the likely buyers to Spain, Italy, Thailand and India. I remember reading that India had shown interest in buying the Invincible and Harriers.
You make me think “Does countries with very cheap manpower but with so high tech skills (India or China) could make basic carriers for other countries ?”.
Let’s say the size of the old french carriers and with “cheap” planes like mig-29K or LCA.
Originally posted by flex297
MiG-29 and Su-27 are two very good examples that converting ain’t that impossible.
Flex
Two very good examples ?
How much are used worldwide ?
How many hours of fligh ?
Every fighter can be adapted on carrier … but might not worth the effort of money, manpower and operationnal reality.