diamant,
Lovely models – even though the radio mast’s got a bit bent on the last few ! Your No. 22 (Mk III FB986) was one of my aircraft at Cannanore ’45/’46.
Danny42C
vultee35,
Just two nit-picking observations on your beautiful model. The “knuckles” over the undercarriage bevels hardly projected at all forward of the leading edge (as appears – unless they are something in that position entirely new to me). And all VVs, AFAIK, had retracting tailwheels. The colours look about right for Burma, although we would never have had yellow engine cowlings like that !
I never even saw a TT Vengeance: I assume that the bomb doors open meant that the cable drum was in there and towing was taking place. In that case, would not the windmill turret (on stbd. side) project far enough to be visible at that angle ?
The RAAF did not operate VVs in Burma, although we had plenty of RAAF pilots among the crews of the four RAF Sqdns (45, 82, 84 and 110) and the two IAF (7 and 8) which did.
12 Sqdn RAAF (and others ?) operated from Queensland and attacked targets in New Guinea, I believe.
Danny
vultee35,
Congratulations ! What a lovely model ! Had me fooled for a minute, until I realised that there were no hand/foot holds to get in with, nor any hole in the rear perspex for a gun (Mk.IV) or guns (Mks.I-III).
And I’ve flown hundreds of hours in the things !..Danny.
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JollyGreenSlug,
Go to “PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining an RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2” (page 135 #2690 28.6.12) for my conclusions (for what they’re worth)…..Danny.
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Daniel,
Thanks for the link to the Museum photographs. Note Page Two, middle column, sixth pic down. There’s your .50 Browning, large as life. It’s a Mk.IV, with a Mk.I number painted on (and no worse for that)……Danny.
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hawker1966,
The Vultee Vengance was an American built dive bomber supplied to the RAF in India in’42, and used in the Burma campaigns of ’43 and ’44. I Post about them on “PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining a RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2” They never were anywhere near Malta. 046S13 is not an airman’s number (possibly “046” is his “last three” and
“S13” means something else).
I would think there must have been a RN ship of that name. The Draft code would be on all kitbags going overseas – to ensure that kitbag and owner finished up on the same continent ! (When I went out to the States, it was “ATTS TRAILL” – what does that mean ? Lord knows !)
Danny.
Andy,
I was otherwise engaged with Vultee Vengeances at that time, but HB301 would almost certainly have been a Mark IV modified as a target tug. I saw one flying over Ormskirk (Lancs) as late as summer ’46). Think the Navy had them at Burscough (?) – not far away. HB301 must have been almost the first to come over, for the series started with HB300 (Peter C. Smith: “Vengeance” 1986).
I Post on “PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining a RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2” (as Danny42C), if it is of any interest.
Danny,
ChernKStewfan,
As I remember, most of them were so muddy (for they were never washed – except by the monsoon), that it was hard to see what colours they had originally been !
Danny42C
ChernKStewfan,
I stand corrected ! Shows, you’re never too old to learn – thanks !
Danny42C
Cotteswold, re your #23:
Tim,
These are Spitfire VIIIs, the svelte lines spoiled by the tropical filters. I left 8 Sqdn about that time, but always thought that they went onto the Spitfire XIV. (The VIIIs had been out in India from (IIRC) the end of ’43).
Danny42C
Jagan,
Well met ! It is long, long ago (almost 70 years) and I’m afraid memories for names and faces grow dim as time goes by. But as regards 8 Sqdn, I think if you dig about in Bharat Rakshak you’ll find that some unknown hero on the Sqdn has done most of the work for you. There is a “List of Officers and Aircrew” there which is pretty comprehensive.
A tip, most of the RAF “infusion” of crews, which were needed for the two Flights with which were going into action, all came in in a bunch around Nov ’43, so it is easy to pick them out on the List.
I Post under this name on a site called PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining an RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2. I start on p.115 #2554 et seq. The whole of my Indian sojourn follows later on.
Cheers, Danny42C
diamant,
Nothing turned up on a PM on PPRuNe yet, I’m afraid. Have another go !
The aircraft letter would have been on both sides (for your ground crew would want to spot it ASAP as it was coming in). I have only one other photo (‘A’ Flight 110 Sqn ’43 picture, but have not the skill to put it up on Post). But it is just a head-on from some way away, would be no use to a modeller in any case.
Myself, I’m not a modeller, but remember my chaps making an Airfix 1/72 model for me at Leeming around ’70. Long gone now.
Cheers, Danny
diamant,
Your first pic is taken near Cannanore (Southwest India) October ’45. How do I know ? It was my aircraft and I am flying it. It was a III, FB 986, and it was my favourite. It still carries a letter “M for mother”. It may well have been on 110 at one time (before it was alloted to me – the Sqn letters would have been overpainted when it left 110 service the previous year – but note artwork on cowling, sure sign of a Sqn a/c.
You’re wrong about the spray task, I’m afraid. They had a grimmer duty – we (No. 1340 Special Duty Flight) sprayed mustard gas for the trials of the Chemical Defence Research Establishment.
See my reply to Lynx – PPRuNe’s the place for me – now have some messages coming in, will have to wait for tomorrow for attention, now 0225 here, need my sleep !
I would agree the information supplied by Lynx815. My log shows that I first flew a Mk.III VV on 10.7.44. (FB956) in Burma, as a pilot on No.8 (Indian Air Force) Sqn. This was non-operational: I think that operations had ceased by that time (onset of ’44 monsoon). All Vengeances ended operations at that point, as it was expected that the Mosquito would re-equip the four RAF Sqns, (45,82,84 & 110), The two IAF Sqns which had operated the aircraft (7 & 8) went over to Spitfire XIVs (certainly 8, not sure about 7).
AFAIK, all VV ops (certainly all mine on 110 & 8 Sqdns.) were flown on Mks. I & 2 (AN, AP and EZ series). If you visit a website called PPRuNe > Military Aircraft> Gaining an RAF Pilots Brevet in WWII>p.128 #2548, you can read my tale of the VV.
As for FB 918, I can only add remarks: the roundel and markings are those of S.E.A.A.C. The additional “FB 918” on the fin, and the white bar above it, and the white ring round the cowling front are foreign to me (I believe the cowling white ring signified “experimental aircraft” in the U.S.A.A.C, in which I trained.
Note that the guns and the last (curved segment) of the canopy have been removed. Guns because it is a “hack” (probably post-VJ Day) a/c on odd jobs. Canopy is more interesting: in operational service it was always flown canopies wide open front and back, the folded-forward curvedend section was a nuisance to the gunners: they chucked them out.
Bomb doors were always opened after switch-off to relieve hydraulic pressure. The curious stripes up the hand/foot holds to the rear cockpit puzzle me. Note that, once you’ve taken out the guns (and last bit of canopy which goes with them), there is no easy way of telling the Marks apart by sight, although if you look very carefully you can just see that a Mk.IV wing is at 4 deg incidence, but all others Nil. (With guns in, it’s easy, in the back the IV has 1x.50 cal, all the rest 2x.30 (British mod: 2x.303, as the .300s didn’t work) – see Dick Simpson’s pic below – Mk.IV !!!!
Hope to see you one day on PPRuNe – but don’t wait too long; as I’m a very old man. Off to “diamant” (a bit further down).