Once the Americans had escorting Mustangs it became too costly for the Germans to put up singles seat fighters since there was a higher priority for fighters on the eastern front. Galland was always trying to hold back deployment of fighters against bombers so he could build up a large enough force of daylight fighters to take on the bombers streams. But nightfighter technology steadily increased on both sides till the end of the war. Another idea worth mentioning was Schrange Musik where guns on nightfighters were angled upward to fire on the bombers from underneath
There was a time when the US was sending daytime raids of B-17s with no fighter escort into Germany, it was then that the Me-110 showed itself as the perfect anti-bomber fighter. Later they were able to get Mustangs with enough range to escort the bombers.
Now hereโs a what if. What if Barnes Wallis had come up with the idea of converting a squadron or two of wellington bombers as gun ships with bristling with guns that could shoot in any direction and with a longer range then the German guns. And these Wellingtons with fighter protect were patrolling the areas where the Germans were approaching from, with the radar etc which we had at the time, they could then be in a good position to do max damage on meeting the Luftwaffe. The scrapmen in Kent would have a field day.
The US did experiment with the idea of fitting B-17s with heavy 20mm cannons and have them fly along in bomber formations as dedicated gunships. I dont know how successful the idea was. Recall though that both the Germans and British had discovered that the Me-110 and Mosiquito twin engine fighters were devastating against bomber formations with their heavy concentration of cannon fire, in daylight when there was no fighter cover and of course as nightfighters.
Please – this is about ARGENTINA, not Brazil!
You seem to want to suppress the political aspects of what is going on in this region in regards to UK influencing the gripen in relation to Brazil as well as a desire to suppress the idea of a joint Brazilian/Argentine venture
I think you have an overinflated sense of self-importance of your opinions in this matter and you seem to have deluded yourself into thinking you have leadership role in the direction of discussion in this thread
Give it up, mate! Your obsession is getting tedious, & your snarky style is as annoying & inappropriate as ever.
This is a thread about Argentina & its military aviation. The current topic is the practicality of Argentina (1) assembling JF-17 & (2) developing bespoke avionics & weapons for it with Brazilian assistance. It is about what Argentina can afford, not Brazil, & JF-17, not Gripen.
This thread is about Argentina upgrading its military, in my opinion and maurobaggio’s the best option is a joint venture with Brazil. But somehow you think that should be excluded from discussian because its not part of the ‘current topic’?? And by current topic I think you mean your tedious obsession with the JF-17 as the only viable option for Brazil. Sorry if I dont agree to stay on your topic, its just that your snarky style of trying to lead this conversation is as annoying & inappropriate as ever.
Except that the Mirage 2000 has been out of production for ten years.
except Brazil has their own aerospace industry, they have experience designing and building their own military jets, so its safe to say they are not dependent on existing production lines to procure aircraft, they can open up their own manufacturing line and produce the fighter jet of their choosing
Buying into EF would be like swallowing a 2-liter bottle.
Just to be very clear, I am not suggesting they buy the Eurofighter, I was just using that as an example of how neighboring countries can joint-buy/manufacture fighters to lower costs.
As I mentioned previously, I think that eurocanards are overpriced and they would be better off building Mirage 2000s
Just out of curiosity, what are Argentine/Brazilian relations like? Brazil already has a fairly strong aerospace industry, they sell a lot of jet airliners and whatnot. So would there ever be a possibility of them going in together on a joint buy/manufacture program like eurofighter consortium?
youre not going to find better low level flying than this anywhere
That rather depends on what criteria you employ to determine best, if it includes ‘winning’, then there may be some disagreement. ๐
I would agree that the German army maintained a qualitive edge throughout the war. The panzer IIIs outclassed the british tanks of russia and british tanks of north africa in 1941 (not to mention Rommel’s clever use of the 88mm flak gun). The panzer IV and Tiger tanks later in the war were far better than anything. Even the german infantries use of mortar and mg-42 machine gun made the infantry a juggernaut on the battlefield. What ruined the invasion of russia was lack of mechanized transport for infantry. Infantry litterally had to walk across russia. Had the german army had proper transport, they would have defeated russia by the fall of 1941.
looks like someone broke some windows
glider pilots showing how low you can go
Churchill may not go down in history as a military tactics genius, but he was a politician and politicians interfering in military strategy is rarely a good thing. One thing you can say about Churchill is that he was extremely knowledgeable about military logistics and very hands-on. He served as head of the RN, and was involved in combat in south africa as both a soldier and journalist. He was definitely the right man for the position of prime minister during the war. Britain was also extremely stretched as to what they could achieve tactically during the early part of the war. Fortunately Japan lacked a strong land army, so they could not have invaded Russia. But they had a first class navy and carrier force. If Japan had moved westward to attack India and the middle east oil fields by sea, I doubt there would have been little Britain could have done to counter it. Fortunately Japan concentrated their forces on worthless south pacific island conquests.
As well as having the disadvantages of hitler and goering running the show – the german procurement ‘system’ was riddled with politics and some fairly bizarre decisions….they could have built more aircraft quite early on but did not really sort out their priorities properly.
Many of their top brass were not of the same calibre of many senior RAF officers (Our internal politics was bad enough but not a patch on theirs).
Dowding and Park were the right men for the job and we were lucky to have had them,Dowding had overseen the setting up of our air defence system and was a dedicated professional – Goering was not !!
I think Ernst Udet was more at fault for incompetent handling of aircraft production than Goering. Udet was a WW1 ace and stunt pilot in the 30s. He took the job in the air ministry only because he enjoyed test flying new aircraft prototypes. He was said to be a very likeable and happy-go-lucky type of personality. He was forced to stop doing test flights and do only administration work which caused him to become miserable and he went into depression and alcoholism. He completely mismanaged aircraft production, it wasnt till he finally commit suicide and Milch took over that aircraft production really took off on a full industrial level footing.
The V-blitz, 1944/45 was not only on plucky us, but on Antwerp, Luxemburg and Paris. Has anyone any reports of how those civilians handled it?
I would be glad to find that all folk respond to bullies by sticking up the finger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944
I recall Audrey Hepburn survived by making flour out of ground tulips
The all out assault on the UK mainland was unsustainable but it’s probable that the Luftwaffe had strength that could outlast the RAF.
The opportunity for invasion was over due to the weather and the RAF could simply have chosen not to be drawn into unproductive combat until it had regained, at least, some of its strength.
It should be noted that Germany’s window of opportunity for invading Russia with such a small force was 1941 and if they had waited a year or two, Russia would have become impregnable with up to date equipment. In 1941 the Me-109 completely outclassed the Polikarpov I-16 and they pretty much wiped out the entire Russian air force in the first couple of weeks. The Panzer III made equally easy work of obsolete russian tanks. A year later with obsolete hardware getting replaced by Yak-1s and T-34s such a quick invasion would have been impossible. Russia basically started the war with nothing and was able to outproduce Germany in the long run, all thanks to part to the russian winter, muddy spring, stretched supply lines, Hitler interfering with his insane battle strategy