Changing to white skin dosen’t mean that he is a white race.

And that cud be one among the many reasons y the guys are after him, when its a known fact that many chaps with long white gown have had some special ‘behaviour’ with children. To add to that is the fact that some nations have banned Unkil Santa from having the kids in their Laps, but hey …. no one goes after those guys or the guys who cant live w/o child porn, like they are after Jackson. For instance, during the Tsunami tragedy, how many of u guys heard abt the Indian security agencies nabbing a British National (not to mentio earlier cases) on tip-off from Sri Lankan offcials after his adultery (yeah Children) over there … and neither Blah Blah shows it nor any other, b’coz they are from the land of James Bond … btw, James Bond is something which we used to confer on the $astardly, cultureless, sex maniacs and reelated syndrome persons :p :p :p

Steve,

nice pic there, got any pic of the blk 60 from the front, with all that CFTs and weapons hannging, like the CG that was available for the sane??

This discussion again?? Personally I don’t know why it seems to “offend” people like plawolf and crobato when people are of the opinion that the J-10 at least partially has the Lavi to thank for its existence. Say what you will, but I personally believe the Israelis and the Lavi design were a big influence in the design of the J-10. The J-10 is certainly not a copy of the Lavi, but I think it does owe things to its design from the Lavi, just as I believe the Lavi has some very F-16-style elements to it (there’s no denying that when you look at the air intake and nose). Again, I don’t know why it seems to offend certain people like it does. It’s just an airplane design afterall. For the most part, it’s still somewhat of an indigenous design. There was some outside help, at least initially I think, and I’m not just talking of avionics and the sort..I’m talking the airframe design itself. The same could be said of the F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo. There was certainly some American involvement there, so why not Israeli involvement in the J-10?

I got to agree with u on most of that ….

As for me, it seems like, it has more to do with the western minds inability to cope with the fact that China who earlier have been building mainly copied and cheaper versions of the Russian a/c cud come up with a real good platform, which has a good potential to tilt the balance in China’s favour. The a/c as such has taken all by surprise with its manuverablity, the capablity and the potential that the a/c as such can provide in the future, not to mention wud be the nightmare of any western AF, who might want to take on China and believes by Air-Superiority which has become the base for the success of any conflict, if and when the PLAAF fields these a/c in the multiples of hundreds.

On the other hand is many ‘Indian’s’ double standards and pathetic view which mostly have been targetting Russia. If at all, it wud have been said that J-10 was indeed a Russian modeled one, then there wud have been a hella load of guys to shout that its crap etc etc, but since some western minds think that J-10 is none other than Lavi, not surprisingly, many Indian’s shout, its a very potent place and a REAL threat with Russian engines!

But then, …. most ‘Indian’s’ as per their western daddies theory have been warry of the Russia’s cooperation with the Chinese and view them as a threat to India’s National security and with a crapy view of a time-tested friend, who have always stodd-by, as a ‘market-driven Russia’, whose primary and only concern is Dollars from sales to who ever it is, and Indian Security never ever will come in that market-driven policy … and I got to say, u guys are so pathetically WRONG!

And then comes our new friend, ….. who have helped us a lot after the sanctions, but they are not ‘market-driven’ ppl, but just a true friend of India ….. but the BIGGER issue is that these pathetic minds FULLY IGNORE —– J-10, what they have been saying as an Isreali LAVI and hence very potent. But then they here forget (as per convinence) what the ‘New Best Friend’ (for them) has given China and how much they have helped augment Chinas capablity in terms of avionics and as u ppl say the LAVI, not to mention the Phalcon, which wud have been a done one, but for Unkils fear, but they got/was arranged another bakkra in the form of India.

Really Pathetic mindset … i pity on all those guys …. shame on all of u … never ever learn from History …. and forget soem basic fact that —- An Old Freind is always better than two (or more) New friends.

The Sukhoi shud STFU and stop meddling in every deal that RAC-MiG is hopefull of getting …. Venezuela don need the Flankers now and their presense there will only make the situation worse as it wud be able to overfly the American airspace which a ‘normal’ MiG-29 wont be able to cover … so let the MiG go it as the lone contender, if at all they are buying the fixed winged fighters and let the Su-39 get in from the Sukhoi side .. but whats this Su-25 for the Navy???….

Dont the Venezuleans need light choppers??? …… they can always look forward to Dhruv ALH, if at all they needed one …. But i’m not sure if the backboneless Indian Govt wud be happy … as almost all wares they are buying are meant to take care of the Colombian mafias ….

Blackcat, please accept my apology, for comments made. My original comment about your typing skills was in jest, not a slur on your ability to speak english.

hey c’mon mate, it just happens, i just don take things like that to heart … it just comes and goes … thats all …. no hard feeling , but that said our opinion are surely gonna be on the oposite side on some matters …

and since ur a new member over here, hope ur enjoying this grrr8 forum …

Did you know that most US cars* are sold with sixes? V-8s aren’t even available in most family size sedans…and of course few of the foreign cars(aside from the luxery brands) offer V-8s.

c’mon what Flex was pointing out with his earlier post was (if am not terribly wrong) that FUEL EFFICIENCY was not a FACTOR in the US Automobile market, let alone PARAMOUNT ….. and the reason y he talked abt the V8 and other stuffs related to gulping of Petrol … where as In India, no manufacture survives w/o FUEL EFFICIENCY and thats tops the manufactures list of priorities when selling his product, which mean they make their product more fuel efficient, which is seldom the case in US. Even the Merceds have their share like 80/20 in favor of diesel cars in India.

And Europe seems not much different, which too have started demanding fuel effciency, small cars etc etc ….. but America still don bother to even look (no concept cars plz) into FUEL EFFICIENCY!

And i don rem a programme on AXN where the competeing teams had to complete their trips .. and one team filled (an little older lady & her Hubby) their Petrol SUV with diesel or vise-versa ….. NOW Thats something we Indians find hard to digest as to the user of the vehicle not knowing whatbhis vehicle uses to power itself …… not that coz Petrol costs Rs 45 and Diesel in Rs 30 or something, I don rem correctly the price.

The information on the IAI website is the official information. However, the information on that Russian site is not. We all know very well that national pride effect people’s judgement. From what I see, the writer doesn’t really compare between the two radars, he just says why the Kopyo M is better.
However, the Kopyo M is, AFAIK, cheaper, and moreover – the russians aren’t too happy with the fact we install our technology in the planes they produced/designed, so there might be pressure for the Russians not to select the Elta radar.

well well … national pride is not something peculiar with the Russians alosne….. now y don Israel place/market their radar for F-16 and F-15 meant for other countries …. ???…. after all u guys are very close buddies …. next time see how happy Unkil wud be to see Israeli radar in their a/c.

and how many of the specs said by lta are confirmed … and I bet my dear Isreali pal, that the unvieling of the new AESA radar in India was to get the Indians to invest in it ….. same as what the Russians do (but then no one criticize Isreal) but, mainly coz of their own under-financing ….

I don’t know really which of the two is better, at least not until we’ll make sure what are the correct performance figures of the Kopyo.

the thing cud be that the article is that of 1998 and the Elta radar might have got updated, as the new specs shows its range as 130km … got any info on the MTBF of the Elta radar??

Either way, I really don’t think India should invest in any further upgrade of the flying coffin. India should really start to put this type out of service, a bit by bit every year, at least until they will start making the Tejas, or get any other modern fighter plane.

Now, India is not Israel who gets free a/c and weaponary aka sponsered by someone else taxes or with a high share of military spending and external military aid …. but we pay and buy things .. so its not possible to replace a/c in such a way … so what we do normally is, upgrade stuffs and make it a better platform to fight with …. and in due course replace it ….

BTW, anyone got the Romanian experience with the Lancer upgrade and the Elta radar???

Y did they not go with the Russian upgrades for the Mi-24???… it got shorter wings to (isn’t it?) , but i don like the gun having been shifted to the side …. bust since the Mi-24s are for high speed attack w/o much hovering, its reasonable, but then I guess the wings was shortened to improve the hovering capablity.