well finally got a Varuna exercice pic that i was searching for from moi pc . Anyone got a bigger and better image of this pic??…. I want to make this my wallpaper atleast for a day. Anyone got it?

k let me put in here this one….. abt the Russian AIP.

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This one is probably a bit more detailed article on the Russian AIP (history not much included), bascically concentrating on the AIP that was developed and thats to be commercialised, with the only problem in sight being the finance.

Russian experience in the development of AIP power plants for Submarines

When ordered by a domestic or foreign customer, the corporation of enterprises headed by the SKBK JSC can design, manufacture and supply a high-performance electrochemical power plant (Fig. 4), boasting power ranging from 100 to 3,000 – 4,000 kW and provided with all the infrastructure required for operation, within 3 to 5 years (depending on the power and energy capacity).

The quote above, is from the article which dates to 1997, which also puts in the bitter fact that, India have indeed wasted considerable time due to the unwanted creeping in or dragging in of the mentality that only west has got an AIP and more so an EG. This all happed with our ‘diversification’ for none other than the sake of ‘diversification’. And i know, there still be many to argue that its not proven etc etc.

As for my plan, I’d say there is no need to waste more time on pursuing an idiotic notion but rather move ahead with the Russian AIP and make the Kristall-27E and later-on (3rd Gen) versions a reality. But for now, the Kristall-27E or its variant so that it becomes the standard plug-in module for not only Aumr-1650, Amur-950 & Scorpene, but also for the 4 x T-209 subs that we operate. One thing that we need to underline in bold is that, NO more wasting of time pursuing an idiotic notion.

But still , its really unfortunate that most Indians fail to understand some basics.

For easy viewing & reading, i’ve combined the text and figure of the AIP and attached below.

I hope in the glory of the PJ-10 we don miss the Klubs ….. thats also important for us….. as for my opinion, I don think we shud sell PJ-10 to any third country. Limit the sale of missiles to LACM version of Klub and the Uran(ium) by joint collaboration. But the 3M-54E , its air-launched version (future), PJ-10 shud not be sold.

BTW, the land ataack version of Klub, which just complete its trials.

Who was it that claimed that Russia was incapable of building an AESA radar because they didn’t have the foundries to produce the T/R modules?

whoelse other than one among the many anti-Russians over here.

So this new APAR goes on the RAC Mig Light fighter? No T-50/MKI/MKK apps?

it can go both way. for the RAC-MiGs LFI and the Sukhois T-50. There shudn’t be any no probs abt that.

Isn’t India stuck with the N-011M Bars radar? The Indian media says that the Su-30MKI contract is a deep license that includes manufacturing a fixed number of N-011M Bars radars and AL-31FP engines in India. So isn’t India stuck with the N-011M Bars radar and AL-31FP engine?

tks for ur deep concern abt India’s security and probably u r among the handful of person on this board who is concerned abt India’s security, with others being in the naval section targetting Gorshkov for its inefficiency, for the task that the IN has been entrusted with. But u need to rest ur worries as both (Bars & AL-31) are going to settle in India and in the time to come will mature and integrate according to needs of the time. So maybe u’ll see an AESA variant of Bars and an AL-31XX with 41,000 lbs thrust, in the future.

If India wants to upgrade to better radars and engines, wouldn’t Russia charge India even more money in addition to what India is paying for the existing deep license?

now, if we are to pull out the Indian copycat media, the sums wont look large enough. But then for the media, only the amount paid to Russia looks large enough and not that go to western direction. A good example and an avoidable additional amount (as u say for 5-7yrs) was the recent contract for upgradation of IN’s SHARS with the Elta radar and Derby AAMs. When there was a bulk order going into the MiG-21bis, the natural solution wud have been going in for the Kopyo and the already in service R-77, but as u see, the Isreali connection and their hold in India and her defence establishment made sure that we went in for a new set of systems, which i think was not warrented.

Harry,

Have manufactured and tested 5 new T/R modules, with manufacture of 1000+ modules for the antenna array.

it must be the test sample of these t/r modules, but what does that mean??? ….. only 5 t/r modules have been manufactured (ok) and is it that modules are of the same or 5 different types ?

BTW, can some one give more info abt the t/r modules, as to how many kinds of them are there etc etc ……

here is one dia of the t/r array, hopefully some can explain it better and t/r modules in general. ……. not abt that, they are seperate sub-arry for transmitting RF while the recieving sub-array can recive multiple RF signals. I want something different and wider abt the arrays and the module.

tks in advance

Art,

well the number of MiG-25 was low, but what i’ve been advocating was for a 16-20 x MiG-31 which have (upgraded) 9 tone strike payload which is in addition to high alt and high speed flight , something that i consider vital for a Pre-emptive strike for avoiding some one getting vapourised in response to a first strike.

Sameer,

well the Sqadron name wont justify the MKI or any other getting on that name simply coz that TRISONICS was meant for the high profile a/c which cud reach/cross mach 3 at the extreme. So only the MiG-25/31 wud fill in the void (and i wont like to see any other taking that name) of the Trisonics squadron.

But i pray that the squadron LIVE-ON ….. with the induction of MiG-31 and later-on the MCA, after all MiG-31 too had a successor.

Lava,
well in the early 90s it was to India to whom the Russians offered the MiG-31M, but then it tipped also because, Vadoka Unkil was favouring the Sukhoi OKB, so they offered the Flanker series and the MiG-31 faded away. But it not to say that MiG-31 wud have been better than the Flanker or vise-versa. The need of IAF was to shoot down the 32 + 72 PAF F-16 and the MiG-31 was the one first offered, but then the IAF requirements and the Yeltsins closenes to Suhkoi OKB meant that MiG-31 never came to India. But i wish this time it dont miss and hope the IAF will have that pre-emptive stratergy in mind.

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Also, I got a question for u guys,…….. now that it seems like the Gorshkov & ADS combined is going to have atleast 2 sqadrons and possibly more than 4 and is mostly lke to have MiG-29Ks (for now), what do u guys think abt new Squadron name???…… There is already White Tigers, so it crossed my mind Y not a Blue Archers, as Black Archers operate IAFs MiG-29s ……… what do u guys think??

Wolfi,

I agree very much in that one. The 16 x MiG-29K and another 6-10 x Helos might be the normal/peacetime airgroup. And there is a strong possiblity in increasing the number of fixed-winged a/c to 24-28 in the future maybe b4 the ADS comes in.

That cud also mean that the Hariers might as well get on the Gorshy till 2015 and from then on NLCA take its place.

But, I still keep my faith in the Gorshy able to carry the first said figures of 36 a/c on them. which cud be as much as 12 x a/c in the hanger and another 24 x a/c on the deck and in air (Ka-31 AEW)

thats some good news over there …. abt 24 MiG-29Ks …
…. so the hanger dimensions is 130х23х6,6 m …..