BTW, can some one put this more clearly??

http://www.newsindia.com/editorial/2011.asp
http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=66988

The Navy’s Controller for Warship Production and Acquisition Vice Admiral J.S. Bedi told this website’s newspaper, ‘‘First of all, the Hawkeye is too big. In light conditions, the endurance of the aircraft goes down from five to just one hour. And for an early warning aircraft to have the capability of staying for only one hour makes no sense. We have decided not to consider the Hawkeye.”

Austin,

I have read that , But the Mig-29M2 was present at AE2005 and flew , and it dosent requires a genious to figure out that the engines were smoky , I cant forget the long dark smoke trailing from the exhaust.

Unless the M2 present at AE used a different engine.

well Austin, i got to differ on that, I cud not find the kind of smoke that u mentioned tailing the MiG-29M2 during the AI05. But there was the white smoke let out from the containers. Other than that, there was no kind of Black smoke, even during the hard bamking and pull-up that the M2 executed during the take-off.

We are ready to pay , I have seen budget in International Defence Media from $ 3 Billion to $ 9 Billion.

well, the $9billion from the Intl media was becoz of their backing for the M2K & Rafale. Where as for the M2s it wont go more than $5 billion at the extreme end. Also, its been no secret that western media (and their Indian copycats) have been pushing hard for the M2K or any other, but the basic teaming was —– it should not be Russian. After all, as I’ve been saying, no westerner would ever like to see Russia revving up her revival and more contracts for Russia means getting more revved up. When the pace gets the right level, Russia can change over to overdrive, which means that no more ‘hard revving’ and lesser ‘fuel’ , but at the same time maintain the same pace or a higher one, which definetely isn’t good for those who want to see Russia and her industries destroyed. But anyway thats not gonna happen and its only going to be the pipedream for all those sadistic $astards.

Now, the period 2001-2003 was the most promising one for the M2K, as from the media , it was a concluded deal for 125 x M2K-V/M2K-5/M2K-9 etc etc wired for N-delivery for the IAF. And many was waiting to see 125 x M2K-Vs to be inducted with nearly 100 x m2k being manufactured in India. It was also reported in some media that the airframes that was to arrive wud be the used-frames, which wud be upgraded to the highest standards.

But then, this Russian news item rubbished all that widely claimed deal, and it still holds, in terms of the deal not yet signed. But it also have that number confusion as can be seen. At that time many had rubbished this Russian news as it was of 2002, while the wildfire abt the deal on M2K spread in 2003, though it started in 2001. But, 3 yrs down the line, the report still holds and its actually a bitter slap on all those media which signed/was to sign the 125 a/c deal with the French way back in 2001. Here some excerpts from the article.

At first a license production of France’s Dassault Mirage-2000H in 110-130 was considered as a gap-bridging measure until the LCA becomes available, but then the decision was made to purchase directly for Dassault a third batch of 10 aircraft to supplement over 40 Mirage-2000Hs already delivered. Almost simultaneously India asked Dassault, SAAB/BAE Systems and Russian state arms agency Rosoboronexport to submit proposals on a single-seat fighter.

hey cools thread guys ……. let more come …

I think the Surya 12,000Km ICBM chapter seems to have been closed – let alone any SLBM with a intercontinental range – like how the Agni chapter was closed in the early 90s. So its time for Indians to say Bye Bye to the ICBM Surya ?

Sameer,

I have a very dumb question, since the Rn has small carriers, does it have any AEW planes flying off the carrier, my hunch would be a big no?

As SteveO mentioned, the RN, Italian (and any other?) have their AEW task carried out by the SeaKing based AEW asset. And that in all likelyhood was not at all doing them good with their performance and hence the displeasure. But still it was better than nothing. The negligible faith in these AEW assets by some of our freinds over here can be attributed to the dismal performance (?) of these syatems and it was natural to expect from them widely critical comments on the Ka-31AEW, which had a wider approach to the AEW solution, in a totally different way.

I’d also like to add that (and I hope I’m not terribly wrong) Ka-31AEW’s range of operation from the carrier ship is limited by the datalink and that range is 150-200 Km. This range is limited due to the horizon as Ka-31s can only operate at an altitude of 3.5 Km, but if it can operate at a bit more higher altitude like 4-5.5 Km, then the Ka-31s cud be able to operate farther away from the carrier ship. And from this range Ka-31’s picks up its possible targets at over 110 Km and give the ships an early waring and situational awareness OTH. This range total up to 250 + Km (150+110), which means that the fleet gets an early waring abt a possible intruder or the ‘situation’ of an area, which is located OTH at a distance of 250 Km from it. This 250 Km advantage that the Ka-31 gives to the ships make it do the necesary preparatory work for either offensive or defensive actions against the necessary entities.

This also means that for a strike mission an E-2C or Yak-44 wud have been much better as they can operate at much higer altitude and also do the necessary processing, but then the Ka-31 can venture out of its datalinking range with the carrier ship to support the MiG-29K for such a mission. Even though without an exceptional range (compared to the earlier two), it wud more than allow the MiG-29Ks to go radar silent to its target area if and when the Ka-31 AEW are equipped with the kind of datalinking facility that the MiG-31 and Su-30MKI have. This also mean that the Ka-31AEW carry its stes of more complex processing units. Thats the most simple and efficient way to augment the performance of the Ka-31 when its out of the datalinking range. But i think Ka-31s have some sort of processing inside them. But if we are able to get the datalinking to the strike groups of MiG-29Ks and its escorts, the major problem of MiG-29Ks operating at the end of envelop wud be resolved.

But this must not be a case to worry much abt, as even 250-300 Km of ‘enlightened’ area for the MiG-29Ks wud be fine enough on its strike mission as the targets wud be land targets and for that the Ka-31 can more than give what the IN did not have till now, and in no way can it be termed as sub-par.

But if the Ka-31 is able to have a satellite communication antenna on its upper fuselage ahead of the two engine intakes (possible?), then the data-linking wont be a problem as it can be transferred to the ship at the maximum range the Helo can venture out. This is a feature that the Russian A-50 had which enabled it virtually an unlimited range for communication. This feature of satellite comm caught up with the American E-3 with its upgrades which gave them this capablity. Also note that the Iraqi A-50s did not had the sat comm on its upper fuselage.

SteveO,

Can u give any hard specs for the SeaKing Mk7 ASaC ???

Aditya,

well i don think its good to depend on land based Su-30s , though it wud be a good thing to have the force augmented with their addition, but our primary reactive/active force has to be on the decks and thats a must.

As for the Tu-142 and other assets, IN Chief has said that all the platforms wud be networked so that the data can be shared among all, moreover the Tu-142 wud be scanning a wider area and also be transferring the datas and moslt based on that will be the CBG changing their area for any action required.

BTW, will the Tu-142’s require MAR in the critical juncture?? …. but i dont think its not impossible to refuel it using the IL-78s as the Russians use their IL-78s to refuel their Tu-95 bombers. But if the MAR capablity is enabled in the Tu-142 or not is what has to be looked into. But i hope if its not, it will be done during the upgrades for both – IL-38 (?) & Tu-142.

Y don Brazil look towards a deal for the Klio 636 and its license production ?? …. By that Brazil will get a good sub and its tech which wont be the same case with other submarine manufacturers.

hows that 1 ssk = 50 mines???….. even the Type-209 can only carry like 25 mines …

but we don have to use mines as out primary offensive system, our main aim is to thrash that comes in our way and for that 3 SSK be good enough in one flank, which means 30 x PJ-10 flying to their destinations, be it the ships or the land targets. Mine laying duty can be entrusted to those subs which don have the capablity to fire missiles. And not risking the heavy weights like those with VLS for PJ-10.