Harry, more pages on the way???
I’m looking forward to see that Bars-29 and others … i have accumulated this bad habbit of enjoying ur reports, so its now getting very difficuly to go on w/o seeing it at the earliest ….
Very good Article. Is it possible to get a technical description of the two radar computers. Are these based on COTS or some indigenous ASIC (or FPGA). The radar on the MiG-29k for Indian navy has been said to be the first Russian radar featuring DSP. Is there any plan to endow BARS with DSP.
Below is an old article which meantions abt the DSP on the Zhuk, so it shud not be a surprise to anyone if its said that the Indian variant will be the first one to get it. The DSP was a part of the Zhuk from the start if am not wrong.
The K carries much more advanced radar, the Phazatron Zhuk, the first Russian radar for fighters with a digital signal processor. It provides multiple target shooting capability with the RVV-AE, R-27 and R-73 air-to-air missiles and aiming for the X-31A/X-35 antiship and X-31P antiradiation missiles.
Indian,
dual rail pylons to launch pairs of AAMs are necessary. Its a total waste to dedicate
a whole pylon to a small missile R-73.F-15 has shown the way. 15E carries a unbelieveable amt of individual munitions and
even hangs two fuel tanks near the tail.
fully agree on that one, there has to be multi-racks, and definetely in this Americans sets the standards, I very much like the stuffs on F-15, I hope MKI and MiG-19K too have these.
But my last years queery to the RAC-MiG was not very positive on the multi-racks, insted they said that its possible to have two additional wingtip hard-points. But i feel an inner hardpoints for mulit-racks would be the finer one.
Ken,
is that model the first version ??? ….
Paul,
tks for tha link good one …. BTW, whats the spec of the Fakel that u mentioned ….. is there any details in ur page abt the Yak-44’s radar or system?
k am putting the new baby over here…..
Amur-950 V2 (Version-2)

Amur-950 V2 was actually displayed in DefExpo’04’, which unfortunately did not get much attention or coverage … as u guys saw earlier in the thread, which i mistook to be a modified Amur-1650. 😮
Amur-950 V2 spec
Number of torpedo tubes, —— 4 pc
Missile, torpedo and amine ammunition, —— 14 pc (calibre -533 mm)
Normal displacement, —— 1060 m3
Principal dimensions,
– length —— 60,3 m
– breadth —— 5,6 m
Full submerged speed, —— 20 kts
Submerged range at economic speed, —— 350 miles
Cruising range with overload fuel capacity while snorkelling at economic speed of 7 knots, —— 3000 miles
Maximum diving depth, —— 300 m
Endurance, —— 30 days
Crew, —— 18 persons
Tks Ken,
so that means in isn’t D-27 as mentioned??….. but the contra-props look like the same as that of An-70 and the power mentioned also looks in heavy leauge
but whats that specs abt the radar on the Yak-44, have u got any other specs for the said Vega-M for the Yak-44?
thanks , blackcat
the pics are great,mate
what was going on in me mind was if the yak-44 could have a hangar of its own just at the rear…also that what i meant when i said it would foulup the trapping of the aircraft… 😮 (going around for another chakkar is a NONO as this would mean irregular op )..this would mean adding another lift at the very end …widening the slot in the back to aroound 10 meters…i also have a detaled drawing of the -44 in which it seems the draughtsmen accounted for the miserly space on the VICK for the -44…so they decided to collapse the vertical radome holder too…dont have a scanner so the drawing can be viewed from the flight international mag…have to search for exat date as i viewed it in the BCL library three yrs ago
so the addition of the lift exclusivly for the -44? is it a posibility or ….
thankx for the pics again
thankx for putting to the notice fo the others that modifications have been going on the VICK….from the pic above and the drawings the port modifications are visible
this is the reason i feel that the another modification proposed as above by moi can be done ..after beatin that idea is bad the following are the reasons for it
1 this increases the landing space :rolleyes:
2 the -44 comes out ready for take off..and uses the landing space for takeoff 😎
3 the undersides of the lift can provide space fr trailing a sonar line( :dev2: )
so u mean a seperate hangre on the Gorshy??….. well i guess thats not a good ide ….. BTW I’m anot very ooptimistic abt E-2C or Yak-44 to get on the carrier mainly becoz of the lift. if the Lift is enlarged enough can it be possible to operate them after clearing the first test, ie to T/O without a catapult. If not, the a/c wud all the time have to be parked on the deck even if the service is ned for them and thats not a very good thing to do.
Also check out the pics below, if the hanger lift is able to get modified or say freshly build to have it open to the extreme deck, then the a/c lifting probs wud not be a problem as the lift is said to have a capacity of 30t.
hey man, thats some hella GOOD NEWS , can u give the link to the original pic???……is it from the Rubin’s site??
BTW, my identification and analysis went wrong, atleast in my theory abt the above shown submarine to be a modified Amur-1650, which was displayed at DefExpo 04 in New Delhi.
Here is the discussion thread ……. but good to see that it indeed has 10 VLS …… So now Indian Navy have got 2 subs to choose (Amur-1650 & Amur-950 V2) from the Russian offer in addition to the Scorpene.
Wanshan,
the torpedo amount shud not worry u as what these are meant for is to strike the opponents fleet, so that means even one of these with a couple of escorts from other SSKs wud be a damn good force to deal with.
The icing o these cakes wud be a N-reactor which powers the Russian special purpose subs.
but the figures in that look very different, from what i cud make out …. like,
150-200km —— hope thats the max range?? (less than earlier figure)
24 ——– max tracking ???? (seem far less than earlier figure)
300 km —— what that???
28,000 kg —— max TWO ?? (seems lighter)
5 hrs ——- endurance (shorter endurance)
and whats that powerplant mentioned?
…..well…… hope, someone clarify ….
Tks Ken, …. and now looking forward to translate these …. any Russian over here or who know Russian?
well of now IN has 5 klub-ized subs and the sixth is undergoing general refit including klub in russia. the three talwar frigates have it. I dunno how feasible it is to mount Klub on
smaller ships, deck penetration makes the vls array unfeasible so a tube launched version would be needed to replace the Urans.for now IN is happy with the large inventory of Urans which have many yrs of life left
and not in any urgency to get a tube version of klub.
we shud not be just comforting with the upgrades, these are to retire in the next decade, and what i am talking abt is the P-28 pocket destroyers, and the new SSKs, scorpene is not likely to have VLS, and so a TT launched Klub is the only option (and that has to made a necessity).
Also, look at the Russias new set of corvettees, in the 1,800 t corvette we can see 8 cell VLS for Klub and in front of that AK-630 or something, but that can be modified to fit 16 cell VLS for Klub.
Now, what i was implying to is that out new P-28 have some of these features – 16 cell VLS but which have similarity with the 1,350 t corvette, which is also beautiful in addition to its punch (I think that slope in front has got some VLS in there)….. and I hope our P-28 have similarity to these two pocket destroyers in terms of firepower, AD, and the LO design
hope u guys get my points, the pic are copyrighted to some person (don know, who), this pic was posted by Roel/Sev in the Scorpene class patrol boats thread. So repeating his request —- please don use it anywhere else.
Guys
Anybody know whether Rafale or any other type is still considered for future ADS operations ? or Mig-29K is going to be only one operated by Navy in the future..
well, i don think so …. The Russians earlier estimate for their Mig-29s was in the range of 110 a/c by 2010 and that was in sharp contrast to the ‘prestigious’ internationa forcasting agency who did not see MiG-29 to see operation. But the Russian was proved right, 50 for Algeria, another 50 for Venenzuela and then 10+ for others, But the Russians had forcasted abt 60 a/c for the Indian navys carrier wing and I think that wud be near to that though the total amount thats said now for MiG-29K is 16 + 30 = 46 for the Gorshkov and 1st ADS. And if we increase the amount for Gorshkov to 24-30 a/c, the number comes in the range that Russian has said for the Indian Navy.
In addition to all the above is the strong possiblity of the MiG-29M/M2 being selected for the 125 a/c requirement for the Indian Air Force.
tks for the links, but not yet got the image that i was searching for, the one u posted is what i meant , but there was another image of that same grouping from front from a lower altitude and also some what from the left side.
Hermes,
this one for u.

also, just figure out from this view a hanger outline and a virtual placement of MiG-29Ks along its beam and project these two to the lower deck, which is the hanger area.
so guys any one got deatils abt the N-reactor going into Sevrodvinsk class?? ….or any pic/more info other than the – 190MW – on the workhorse of the Russian N-subs.
Austin,
can i expect some scans of the article that mentioned abt mono-block reactors being supplied to India for her ATV by Russia ?
Garry,
can u give any info abt the smaller reactors that the Russians have on their special purpose submarines …..
how many orders till now for the MESA??
and there was some news abt the Isrealis eying the MESA coz of it being better and cheaper than their Phalcon, but Isreali’s wary of doing that b’coz of loosing market for their own Phalcon.
got more on that?
Garry,
yup u r right there, 6 revs per minute, actually i made that thing in a hurry with some table in wordpad, PRINT SCREEN and then the PS resizing, conversion ….. etc
also, Its written over there the D-27 as a propfan……..
Guys sorry for the mistake, please do excuse
But, no one mentioned abt the possiblity of the Yak-44 to get off w/o a cat from deck.
Also any one got info as to how much was the specified take-off run that was normal for the Yak-44??