BIT,

the proposal came in 99, but the deal wasn’t signed untill 2003 and that too with an advance payment of $350+million, and the first one is to come in only after 2007.

BTW, I am sure, by 2003, the MESA was also ready and some delivery was also carried out. But lets not bring down the thread to this issue.

Can u givve the link to article on the Korean affair for the MESA, some quotes from which u posted??

And guys info on the Swiss, Brazalian , and the RN’s Helo based AEW.

The missile looks like the Kh-31 …… so how much did this missile or say the test of this ramjet in a missile frame gain from the Russian sale of X-31 to the US??

thanks fo the heads up blackcat…cool video…however notice the aft of the carrier is still not shown…know of any pics of her rear man…also would like to know whether there was any time spent by the yak-44 on the VICK …this would give info if the yak-44 did fit into the hanger…. :diablo: thought of a wild idea :diablo: is it possible to widen the hangar on the aft section above the props..a la enterprise…i know it will interfere with the trapping of the aircraft ..but makes a suitable place to keep the aew…. 😀
hermes 😉

But u can see many pic of the carriers butt and in here there are a lot of pic of Gorshy …… Yak-44 has not yet come to life, its just in the mock up form, but if we take the initiative with the Russians it cud be a reality by 2010 and I believe it has to be our future carrier based AEW solutions. Abt E-2 or Yak-44 gettin on the Gorshy wud remain first on the a/c ability to take-off w/o an catapult and then the lifts ability to accomodate it and the Hanger size and height (in the case of Yak-44, its 7 m tall).

BTW, intrested in discussing Yak-44 ?? here is one thread for Yak-44 … Yak-44 AEW&C

BTW, it aud have been good if the MiG-29Ks were able to have their weapon hardpoints increased from the current 8, like the MKI’s multi-racks.

Austin,

Surely PJ-10 is a leathal one, but we need lighter missile which is also leathel as the PJ-10 at the final stage for lighter tonnage ships and subs which don have VLS. And thats what Klub family fill-in very neatly. We cannot do away with that missile and ned to have that too included in the joint development and in house programe.

Also, if we take a good look at the sub-sonic land attack variant, we can see its the smallest, now think what we can enlarge it in sise to that of 3m-54e ???…. it wud most likely mean largr fuel , which translate into say a very long range land-attack cruise missile, say 1000+Km. And I very much think that range is possible from a developemt of the land-attack variant.

Also, I am of the view that we are not doing good with only investing in PJ-10, I’d say Brahmos Aerospace shud rather invest in development and marketing of Klub family and the Uran(ium) so that we have 3 missiles to market…… and if u ask me if we sud sell PJ-10 missiles to other countries, my reply wud be only NEGATIVE, if its been under mine control, it wud have been – NEVER.

rather we shud concentrate on marketing a 290Km Uranim, as sub-sonic missiles too have their efficiency and the Klub series (on to those very trusted) Personally i’m not in favour for marketing these outside, even if that may earn us good amount, the cutoff shud be Klub family at the Extreme end.

Some notes on Seabird

On 4th Dec 2004, Navy Day, INS Sutlej, I.N.’s hydrographic and survey vessel became the first INS to enter the Project Seabird, though earlier some other vessels have been visiting the area. Project Seabird which lies at 13 km from the Goa border will be rechristened INS Kadamba or INS Vijaynagar in acordance with the Kannada culture, when commisioned.

The Phase-I of the Seabird project is to provide berthing space for 11 ships while the master plan is for 42 ships and 42 yard crafts. The master plan was originally sanctioned by the committe on Political Affairs in 1985.

But the Original Phase-I, was an enlarged plan in scale from the present Phase-I, as it entitled for berthing 22 ships and 21 yard crafts. This was scaled down later-on in the 90’s due to lack of funds, time and resources, as is common with any Indian military project.

The shiplift & ship transfer system was to be commisioned in Feb 2005, this would be the unique aspect of the project Seabird. This has been constructed by Syncrolift Inc (U.S.A) under consultation of an Australian firm

The On-shore work are executed by L&T, Nagarjuna Constructions, BHEL and Bridge & Roof with the consultant being Mecon Ltd. The resedential area of the project caters for 5,000 and the Navy is also undertaking afforestation of the area with 901 hectres being afforested at a cost of Rs1.77 crore. A Naval Air Station will come up in the area, 24 Km from the Base Office, which will station both fixed and rotary winged aircrafts.

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Another one being that the Kochi is to get a new port, so hope everything is shifted out from the current place and that entire place is given to the Southern Naval command, so that from the punny little jetty that the SNC have now can also be enlarged to include the merchies jetties and also to acomodate more ships. This will also help the ‘outsiders’ to berth outside and way out of view from the SNCs jetty. BTW, Indian media (national) never coverd the French Spy case, which involved a French vessels surveillance of the ocean, even though CBI was there in France couple of months ago to extradite the guys who was let off earlier. Also involved in that was an MLA from the area.

Another one is that its way too much time that the Gunnery school get some AK-630 or Kashtans or lighter stuffs, but which is better than what they have now. Atleast I’ve not yet seen any of the guns hitting the target, except for making me almost deaf when all the guns open up to fire (though not to the fullest) as the culmination of the fire power display… maybe the IN don’t want to show how good their gunnery students are.

can some one tell me how the antenna is arranged inside the ‘T’ section??…. mean the Boeings MESA

I’m expecting 2 on the sides, and on top howz it arranged?? …. another 2 back to back for front and rear coverage??…. also how much is the dimension of the entenna inside. Does it also have additional antenna in the nose??

Some more speculative work …. with 16 x MiG-29Ks on the deck. This was created on the basis of the two figures which showed the a/c parked in two different ways. So I combined it to create a larger airwing. 😉

BTW, wud the parking of MiG-29Ks going to hinder the landing aid that lies in front of it???….. well not sure, but it also in good size as can be seen from the pic, so maybe the pilots wud be able to see it atleast as near as 5-10 m from the edge of the deck, if not, its better to take one more chakkar.