and u did not had that ‘idea’ abt the ‘drum’ when u said this,

The Ka-50 was operated at daytime and good weather only, when based at Grosny-North. Nearly no targets worth an expensive AGM. Main weapons used were cannon and unguided rockets. Fighting grounds were wooded high-mountain-vallies. The sensor package of the Ka-50 was not of much help to figure out ground targets

or was it that after getting the idea that Ka-29RLD is Ka-31 that u shot off this smart arsed one ….

Ka-29 RLD alias Ka-31. 🙂 “Drum” See message 8. ” Ka-50 with the Drum (= Ka-29 RLD)” 😉

But wud wud surely love to see the mentioned article, plz do post it. Both. tks in advance.

Truely Professional force ….. i wonder if these chaps were on the kind of Russian budget, whet these fellows might be doing.

What about actually guiding the missile like R-37M all the way to the AWACS? R-37 is SARH/ARH. An aircraft like the later versions of Flankers can probably detect an AWACS at around 400kms and maybe even more. How about GCI?

now AWACS is a big light house and any a/c with a radar and rwr might be able to see it ….. so firing on it with an initial input to the ARH aam woud make the job and even if it shuts out, the seker would be able to locate it as most Russian seekers have 45-60 Km range and the newer ones made by the Agat has got 90Km, so acquiring the AWACS wont be a problem as many is trying to argue abt coz of the obvious reasons.

and the R-37M and KS-172 wont be using any seekers inferior to the already in srvice one and the long ragne seeker with 90Km is most probably meant for these.

now take the cae of all the Iraqi and even the Serbian fighters shot down…… all these chaps wud have been getting the radar signal of the AWACS and the F-15 and F-16 that made the shot might have come some other way rdadr silent ad hit the Iraqi a/c when they might have been concentrating on the distant target to get closer.

Il-96-300 too did not have any huge success to mention and the IL-96-400 is still not fond live coz again the Russian cant buy them. But the regional jet affies is a bit complex as they have more than 3 good and more coming and if they dont get to international market then its Russians companies who wud be the looser

hey what do u guys think abt the 4-5 missiles trailing the F-18 in the pentagon movie and then finally last one hitting the F-18 over serbian airspace???…. not to mention the final rescue ….

so whats the story actually?

Thanks Blackcat…..By any chance is the Tu-204 the only russian airliner which can compete with boeing or airbus???

well that need to be broken up in terms of the category of a/c….. so let me put in this way

Unlike the Airbus which is a fully civilian aircraft maker (now military too) and the boeing which started off and accumulated many other companies too ….. the Russian industry did not have aby concentrated civil a/c makers and the numerous degin Bureaus or OKB as it is said manufactured their set of a/c. In that belong the Tupolev OKB and Ilyushin OKB both of which wwere the prime movers in this field.

So for ur question as if that the one one??…. then yes and No.

Yes in the sense that the Kind of category the Tu-204 fall in the market have in the form of Airbus 320Family and the Boeing with their B757 and modified B737. And probably the only one who hd 2 a/c in the same category and the negative part can be seen with finally having to close one down.

No in the sense that they have other aircraft in there which can come into the category of any other manufacturer.

In the wide-bodied area the Russians have the Il-96 family in which the Airbus and Boeing have many set of a/c. The Il-96 was a successor to the first Russian wide-bodeied a/c IL-86, but with a shorter fuselage.

here is another Tu-204 threadstarted by me, if intrested can check out
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33117

Originally posted by US_Agent in another thread …..can u provide with the link?

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US group eyes UK refuelling deal

Flight International
20 Jul 2004

The UK’s faltering acquisition of a next-generation fleet of inflight refuelling aircraft has taken a further twist, with a US-based group having emerged to promote a new lease solution based on the McDonnell Douglas KC-10/KDC-10 tanker/transport already in service with the Netherlands and US air forces.

A collaborative venture between Evergreen Aviation and Omega Air, the Global Airtanker Service (GAS) is offering to have up to 10 KDC-10s available for the UK from January 2006, with a proposed total fleet of 20 aircraft. The company’s KDC-10s – one of which will be on static display at this week’s Farnborough air show – can be equipped with wing pods and a centreline hose to perform three-point tanker duties.

The GAS proposal is being made as an alternative to the UK’s planned 27-year Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft (FSTA) private finance initiative deal with the EADS-led AirTanker consortium, which has been selected to supply Airbus A330-200s adapted for the tanker/transport role. Negotiations have been under way for months, but have faltered on cost grounds. Industry sources say the GAS team could be supported in the UK by Serco – part of the Boeing-led Tanker Transport and Service Company team eliminated from the FSTA contest earlier this year.

CRAIG HOYLE / LONDON

Some notes on Russian engines

I’d like to tell to all those who dont know that all the Russian engine that powers the new a/c meet the Stage III norms and that include the PS-90 series, the D-30 Series (Tu-154, IL-76 and others) and the D-18 (An-124 & An-225) …… but very few ppl are intrested in the Russian stuffs and hence are ignorant and go by what they got to hear earlier abt the noise and pollution.

The D-30 series now meet the norms but not after getting all the curse and having replaced nost of that by the PS-90 series of engines.

But that said the earlier manufactured aircraft and the still flying a/c which used the old engines is coz of which u guys get to hear abt the Russian engines being noisy and smoky and has kept off from European and American air. Coz these engines have not been replaced b’coz of the obvious – finances. But that should not come in the way to understand the fact that the Russian engines makers all meet the Stage III norms and what they now lack is highter thrust engines which in the class of RR Trent series and the GE series ….

The hightest thrust engine they had was the D-18T which powers the An-124 and An-225 and the western world was no better in that period when these 230kN thrust engines was born in the erstwhile Soviet Union. It will also make u understand as to why the An-225 needed 6 engines as the most powerful engine during that period when the a/c was being designed was the D-18 engines. But after that there was practically a complete HALT on engine development and its from here that the RR and GE raced ahead of the Russian engine makers (civilian ones) in terms of higher power and more efficient engines, where as the Russian makers was badly caught up in the mess starting from 1998 which blew out in 1991 and then a long period of another decade of hardship.