sorry i too can’t acess it, but y was the plan shelved??… can u post more abt that and the source for that plzz

Any Russian signal processors from here ….. http://www.module.ru…..

wow harry thats a really grrr8 pic, but Sea Eagles? 🙁 , y sea eagle??… is it downgrading or what?? … hope its standard wud be the Klub’s and Brahmos …. so is it that all upgraded IL-38’s have this paint scheme??….. and also is there not a follow on project for the replacement of the IL-38’s…. namely based on the Tu-204??…. has any one got more on that??…

as far as the P-3C is concerned, i don think its a good option , but rather I’d say go in with the Russians for the follow-on to make the turbo-prop version of the Tu-204 as to agument and also replace when the oldies time comes . This will also help IN to have ‘sanction and bug’ free survellience a/c and also Russians will also have a good platform as and when the mponey comes to replacing and buying new stuffs …. And thats also what Unkil will not like to see and so the reason y theyr are putting up proposals in every other systems where they see any prospcst of Russians in beefing up their systems now with co-developong which they can get hold-on when financial situation gets right …. and its this case – be it the Phalcon (done), Arrow (pushing hard), P-3c (same case), Hawkeye-2000 (yup y wud they love to see the Yak-44 fully developed) …. etc etc….

but I hope the Indian Naby don go in for the P-3C’s but rather go in for – joint development, for new frames – more IL-38’s …….. btw how many IL-38’s is there with the Russians and how much can be got from them to fullfill the needs, anyway if there ain’t much co-developing is the best option rather

Matt,
yes thats right for a missile boat, but then when equippinf these the propulsion too wud be looked into…. hopefully it wud be to maintain that 40+ knots top speed with those missiles…. but what abt the Kashin upgrade, i feel to be too light – just 12 missiles is what i can see from that pic…

also can some one clarify id the Talwar class carrier only 8 Klub’s or is it that it have an internal reloading ??…

Google,
yes one unit carriers 32 misiles but how can that be just one set, u mean just another 4 missile per arm of kashtan aka 8 total ??… but they say …. “SAMs (in SRS/on the guides) – 24/8 ” …… ie on the vanes there are 8 ready to fire missiles and in SRS (btw whats the expansion for that?) there is another 24 missiles which accounts for a total of 32 missiles …. so 2 Kashtan mean 64 missiles in total ….

u can read this one too ….this is from BR

The system also includes storing and reloading system to keep 32 SAMs in container-launchers in the vessel’s under-deck spaces. Reloading time for a cluster of four SAMs does not exceed 1.5 minutes.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Kashtan.html

and a beautiful pic too….

yes it is (is what i thought first) based on Ge-404 (?) but this thread says its with Russian technology that Kaveri is being build …. but it also seems to be based on RD-33(?) as harry posted…..in short am confused … hopefully some one can clear my doubts too …. but no doubt regarding whether to go in for a TOT of american GE-404…. and it cant be more clear than a BIG NO 😎

BTW … whats the size of the Larzec and the AL-55 are they same …. its said that AL-55 has its base with the AL-31, so dont that make it a ‘big’ engien in size??…if not will the same unit can also get into LCA (?)….. so as the rumors that harry talked abt can be true or what??… and whats the thrust that the AL-55 cud have with the addition of an AB mode…

Google,

The Kashtan/Kortik system comes with 32 missiles, in 16 missiles per system.

No Google, it has 32 missiles per unit of Kashtan-M, check this figures out from KBP’s site , or did i read it wrong? –

Basic Characteristics

Armament:
SAM – 9M311-1E
AAG – 2 x AO-18KD

Ammunition load, pcs.:
SAMs (in SRS/on the guides) – 24/8
30mm rounds – 1000

CM control system – radar and Optronic

Kill envelope:
Range, m:
SAM – 1500–10000
AAG – 500–4000

Altitude, m:
SAM – 5–6000
AAG – 5–3000
http://www.shipunov.com/eng/kvnk/kashtan_m.htm

and the reason that I best believe the IN to go in for the Barak was coz of its VLS as that allows the the installation of that just one system as it got the flexibility of turning around anywhere, where as Kashtan due to its ‘poniting’ wud drain much of the missiles fuel if the target is from its back (well can the Kashtan turn full 360 degree?) so the case with 2 x Kashtan’s facing each side with a total of 64 missiles which is a very good stuff as the ‘digging’ can be done away with, and yes I’d like this to be the standard on INS’s rather than the Barak which also cost more than a unit of Kashtan. And the best that I’d like to see is the future designs (namely the P-2x class Pocket Destroyers aka Corvettes and all ships) are these carrying 2-4 x Kashtan’s relieving the deck for the Klub family be it – sub-sonic Land Attack, supersonic Anti-Ship cruise missile or the ASW torpedo and sa-n-12 loaded ones. This is all what Indian Navy needs i.e the same base equipped with different member of Klub family to make 3-4 task groups comprising 6-8 Pocket Destroyers and I believe this is only what Indian Navy needs to go on pure offensive against the PN and neutralize with a ‘security’ of good AD cover. This also relieves the ‘heavies’ for international waters for anyone who tries to engage … but that does not mean this can only be tied for taking care of only PN, but these ‘lighter’ task groups can be effectively employed in ‘dealing’ opponents in international waters as outer flanks for the main task group …

and here are some pic of this Robocop

Oh Vampy, what i meant was differentiating it physically not by specs …..

for the land attack cruise missile : 3M-14E here is our Harry’s own collection….

Sub-sonic anti-ship cruise missile : 3M-54E1

the 2nd from leaft, BR says so and i take it… but not able to distinguish these two ….. Ooooohhhhh maybe the painted tip?? …. seems like land attack version have that grey/black pain more into the body from the tip..

Anti-Ship supersonic cruise missile – 3M-54E

air-launched version

but the probe with the supersonic is that if the length and dimension are the same , does that mean greater range or greater payload??

Not any more. Sukhois and J10s will be available by the hundreds in a couple of years. In a conflict with Mainland China the US would have to rely heavily on carriers and long-range strike assets (as it is unsure how Japan, Korea and Thailand (or India) would behave in “Case Yellow”).

Y wud the US want to fight with the mainland … dont these guys have any better work to do …. China is not disturbing the US in their backyard, so y bothering China …

Umm, off-topic: but the B-2s and long range cruise missiles would have somewhat weakened PRCs defences!

whats the RCS of the B-2 and PRC is also getting AWACS too …. and especially quoted that 435km for cruise missiles and I suppose the thing is what need to be identified after that its easy task for a/c to send in AAM’s to target these ….