Where there is a will there is a way. Negativity never gets anyone anywhere. It is often dreams that shape reality. If someone dreams one day to break the light barrier, let him/her dream. Would man have made any progress in the scientific realm if not for creative thinkers who passed on their ideas to equally creative people in subsequent generations who made these dreams reality.
Man has just begun to explore and exploit nature. Who knows what is possible in the future. It is not right nor wise to outrightly dismiss anything. Though breaking the light barrier or time travel etc. seems mere science fiction, neither I nor you know what the future holds?
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Maybe with computers but 40 years ago scramjets and hypersonic flight were “any day now” and nuclear propelled missions to mars were just around the corner. Sound familiar? We’re also working on the “next generation” of heavy boosters that will incorporate J-2s from the Apollo era and has a load lifting capacity that anyone familiar with what they had in mind to follow the Saturn V with would laugh at. Or cry. That we aren’t further along than we are is a travesty.
With the computing power at hand now as you rightly say, and improving every year, it would seem likely that the path towards progress is much more clear currently. I believe most of the belligerent noises of “any day now” was more cold war propaganda than anything else. It would seem from press reports that NASA has internal problems…mostly management issues? and could this likely be stymieing creativity?
Fuel, money, and what people will accept are the three biggest obsticals. For traditional chemical rockets a tripropellant of hydrogen, oxygen, and fluorine seems to be about as good as you’re going to get as far as ISP is concerned. A strutjet would seem to be the best bet but nobody seems to be coughing up the dough to develope them. After traditional chemical rockets you get weird stuff like “hydrogen radicals”. If I remember correctly basically what that is is things like hydrogen and oxygen don’t float around as H’s and O’s but as H2’s and O2’s. When two seperate H’s combine to form an H2 it apparently give off some energy you can tap (last chemistry I had was ’bout 20 years ago so gimme a break ). Anyway the “theory” is they could get an ISP of about 2000. Don’t know if that’s taking radical H and radical O, making them into H2 and O2 and THEN making them into H20 (I think they either go fuel rich or oxygen rich but I don’t recall which).
Then you get stuff like “metastable helium” or “metastable hydrogen” whatever that is. I remember back in the 80’s there was an article in Airforce Magazine in which the talked about metastable helium and how they’d make it by “aligning the spin of the atoms with polarized lasers and stabilising it in a magnetic field”. Uh. . .okay.
The concept of fuel and the propulsion system as we know it now would have to be redefined to make such an aircraft a reality. Fuel and the propulsion system would be the biggest obstacles. The traditional chemical rocket fuels of now would provide the escape velocity but the quantity required for just a single flight is huge and these chemicals are highly volatile. The kind of propulsion system I am envisaging would likely have to transition smoothly from atmospheric flight to vacuum flight without loss of efficiency. Most probably such an A/C would likely use a different configuration of propulsion separately for atmospheric and space flight respectively?
I may be wrong but would you be referring to a hydrogen fuel cell. It is a great idea but I am unaware of any great progress in this field towards powering large machines. Perhaps progress is being made but kept hidden from the public eye?
After that you get various flavors of nuclear fission none of which the public wants anything to do with. And that’s a shame because it’s probably the best bet in the semi near term.
Fusion is WAY off. If/when they ever figure it out it will be the way of the future. I’m not sure if it’s a quesiton of money or not. If they were given $20 billion a year could they actually USE the money productivly? Is there enough work being done to use it that is?
Yes it is a shame that nuclear fission is not being harnessed towards this purpose because it is as you say probably the best bet in the short term. Radioactive contamination and atomic bombs have made fission unpopular and public sentiment towards fission as a result of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl etc. would definitely unseat any politician unwise enough to go against public opinion and sanction such a project. Purely from a scientific point of view, it is the best bet though and I am sure it can be very safely manipulated without any hazard whatsoever. Maybe a system that uses fission power in space flight alone with a different power source for atmospheric flight could solve the problem?
Fusion can very well be harnessed if a global effort is made and ITER Fusion Project is a step in the right direction. Given the resources that are being combined, a full-fledged fusion reactor in the next couple of decades is very much a possibility and though the safety hazards persist, it can definitely be harnessed for space flight.
Perhaps integrating scramjet engines and fission/fusion powered engines to alternately power atmospheric and space flight (fission/fusion reactors secured such that even in the event of a crash there would be no radioactive contamination) would be the way to go?
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I’d say that we’d see it in the timeframe b/w 2030-2040..The reason i base it on is that the next technological LEAP according to NASA/DOD and others is gonna occur in the 2020 timeframe which is basically gonna give us a new class of propulsion and mateials by then therefore give about a decade for refinement and say another decade for standerdization and u get around 2040 as the timeline..
It would be reasonable to assume considering the trend in terms of technological advancement that the 2040 timeframe you mention could very well turn out to be true.
As far as who does it is concerned it all depends on what we are looking at really..If u count a launch vehicle that basically flies like an aircraft goes into space and delivers a satelite into orbit then yes NASA looks likely to acheiving that well ahead of that 2040 timeframe however if u are wanting a more commercial set up where Space tourism would harness these technologies and we’d see vehicles entering and exiting space in routine then the opp. are endless.
I was not referring to a launch vehicle for satellites per se. I realize that NASA could very well achieve that before the timeframe you mention. I was thinking more in terms of a military aircraft. Most likely the military-industrial conglomerates like LM, NG, Boeing etc. would be the ones who would be actively engaged in such an exercise with adequate funding and perhaps in partnership with NASA? Do you have any idea of the progress that has been made, if any?
Yes I realize the opportunities are endless.
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the main opponents to India @ NSG are china and japan. uk, russia, france and usa are all in favour and not in need of more carrots.
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Probably those little European countries that make those little parts for the various aircraft in the MMRCA competition.
Practically speaking it would be oil prices that would ultimately be the bargaining chip here. More nuclear power, less dependence on fossil fuels. India is one of the largest consumers of petroleum products and in market terms it is demand that determines price when supply is stagnating. If India can lessen its dependence on fossil fuels through utilization of nuclear energy, it would arrest to some extent the inflationary tendency seen in oil trading nowadays. This would benefit everybody, so I do not see opposition from Japan or China. Perhaps some example of tokenism, but nothing serious.
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The aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle with its complement of Rafales is about to shortly commence an exercise with the IN carrier Viraat and its Harriers. It should prove to be very beneficial to both sides and enable the IN to evaluate the Rafale and its full potential.
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Damn……I knew it. My message was too subtle….. :diablo:
Lol. We all want to have fun………usually at the expense of somebody else. If life went on without somebody putting himself up for funning at least when a thread offers a medium to have fun through foolishness, then one should use the opportunity to be mildly foolish enough to be funny. 😉
Of course if fun transcends foolishness then there is no fun in being funny. So it is my funny belief that one should be sometimes mildly foolish enough to poke fun at oneself to fully enjoy the fun of being funny. 😀
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There are few things more beautiful than a beautiful woman and a Sukhoi…….
Nice pics.
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Some say it is hope that runs the world. Let us hope without hopelessness hopefully that hope will prevail over hopped up hopheads. 😉
Let us hope for the best.
Peace
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And Ramachadran you tell me that India still have MiG-25 in its inventory? But try to say that to the people involving in the thread… that their 37 pages and 3 months (or more?) debate was… totally unsefull!!!
Worst, I think they even forget the aim of the thread (this is quite normal considering the time and number of pages they spent) :p
Since the thread is titled “Don’t read this. You won’t like it, I would request anybody who is liable to be offended to not read this.
Truthfully the impression I got was of a lot of internet idiots trying to manufacture testosterone in that thread to alleviate their penile deficiencies. 😉
I am not in anyway trying to cover up the fact that I too am an internet idiot because only an internet idiot would be compelled by his idiocy to post this on this idiotic thread. 😀
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Particularly liked this – “A striking example is “India to retire its MiG-25” : first started as an informative thread (Well, India had no MiG-25 in its inventory since some days(not true as yet) it ended in a raging, bitter and unuseful debate over the merits of SR-71 Vs MiG-25 (37 pages and still on the way).”
I remember falling asleep trying to read through this thread. Perhaps it should be printed and made available in pharmacies so doctors could prescribe it to insomniacs in place of sleeping pills. Would work every time. 😉
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Lol….noteworthy points.
Buddy, your posts show a decent illiteracy in terms of military aviation. Su-37 twice as fast as Typhoon? Su-47 being the best multirole aircraft? You cannot be serious…
If you want air supremacy, then F-22 is clearly a winner..If you want to add strike role as well, then I suggest four options – Rafale, Typhoon, Su-30MK and F-15 Eagle of K or I standard. F-15 is a good performer in A-G roles and still pretty decent in A-A, and features the largest payload and widest array of available weapons. Rafale excels in A-G, has pretty low RCS and supreme integrated attack/ECM suite. Besides that it is very nimble and agile. With Typhoon I cannot find any real advantages but I could be wrong. So let us assume that it is excellent in A-A, even if I cannot get over its mechanical radar.
Typhoon, Rafale and F-15 are not accessible to states like Iran.. These have one obvious choice and that is the Su-30MK. And they will be served very well with this machine.. This is probably the best buy from these four – you get excellent performance/cost ratio.
Makes the most sense among the multitude of nonsense. Impartial too… Good post. Only drawback that I can see as SSS points out is that Migs have been omitted.
Though the question raised is hypothetical @SSS, if a country has just one operational type of plane even though it is multipurpose, then it better not go against a country with a variety of options, each having a specialized role ensuring better division of function to facilitate better results. A pilot who is a master in a specialized aircraft in a specialized role would probably outdo one who tries to be a jack of all trades in a single type of aircraft. No point in unnecessarily committing hara kiri eh. No offence intended.
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Why have the Army and Navy forums been removed, I have always felt that they were places where sensible and very informative discussion took place. There are a large number of people with a large knowledge base that visit them and now they are gone.
This discission seems bizzare in the extreme and I hope that it will be corrected in the very near future.
Very much true….agreed. A big loss for people who like reading through good honest discussions.
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Nice data….
I don’t think that El Salvador or Guatemala will acquire any new combat aircraft and they will stick to their A-37’s for a considerable time. And I suspect that when the A-37’s are retired they will be replaced with Super Tucanos or possibly nothing at all.
To put it frankly, Latin America’s aviation purchases are hampered because the USA no longer uses cheap, simple to operate aircraft like the A-37, the C-47 or the T-6. These aircraft used to form the bulk of many Latin American airforces because they got them cheap or for free from the US and spares were often available on the open market. And these aircraft were adequate given the political situation at the time (basically insurgencies and rebellions, not much full scale warfare),
But now the USA has switched to what most poorer countries would consider extremely expensive and complicated solutions such as the F-16, upgraded C-130’s and UH-60’s.
European producst are also too expensive, while politics generally prevent the acquisition of Chinese and Russian products. And in the end many of these are unsuitable for poor countries – an FC-1 or MiG-29 is overkill for Guatemala or El Salvador.
So I think more poorer airforces are going to switch to becoming pure transport/helicopter services with a token combat component provided by armed turoprop trainers.
Even many of the European air arms are becoming merely token air arms – look at Slovakia, the Czech Republic or even Belgium. Prohibitve costs and lack of clear threats is killing many air arms around the world.
Summed up the situation accurately to a large extent. Agree…