Against fighters, fighter-bombers or bombers they are useless but they could be useful against low flying subsonic cruise missiles. May be the defender free some explosive-loaded balloons on the path of the missile and detonate them to create a firewall. A crude defense, but cheap and … it may work.
Interesting infographic on the Severodvinsk
The difference is that the YF-23 has much more curved intke while on the T-50 it’s almost straight.
That’s right. The YF-23 ducts are more aggressively curved. But “almost straight” means no-straight or “soft-curved”. I think the engine axis is half a diameter inner and higher than the intake axis. Furthermore, the intake has a trapezoid mouth and (very likely) radar blockers distributed into it.
Look at how high those T-50 engines rise!
Even considering the plane inclination angle is soooooo clear that the engine axis is different from the intake axis.
It is higher and inner than the intake axis.
Enough to hide the fan? Off-course not. But more than half a fan (around 2/3) is hidden.
Compare with the Flanker one.
Quote:
1. No, the front of the engines are directly in line with the inside (& bottom) of the intakes with the nozzles toed out.
2. No, the intake mouths are a bit wider than the engine housings but the inside (& bottom) of the engine housings are directly in line with the intake mouths.
3. No, the inside & bottom edges of the engine housings are directly in line with the intake mouths. The intake mouth, however, is a shorter (vertically) & wider (horizontally) parallelogram vs the circular engine housing.
4. True but with the intakes being a bit wider than the engines said buldges do not block much (if any) of the engine face.
http://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.php?id=10676&mode=view
Can you see?
Let me proclaim the YF-23 as the Queen of the “Miss 5th Generation Contest” with a 100 points threshold.
The positions are
1. YF-23: 100 points
2. T-50: 80 points
3. F-22: 70 points
4. F-35: 50 points
5. Boeing X-32: 30 points
That’s my list.
That as I see the endless discussion about the “S-duct”:
1 Engines are slightly inwards placed.
2 Intakes are slightly outward placed.
3 The engine axis is higher and inner than the intake axis. How mach? Around half a fan-diameter.
4 There are pockets blended into the intake ducts to place wheels.
In the end, around 1/3 of the fan face should be visible, but… so what? It’s clear that Sukhoi dropped the S-duct idea already used in the Berkut to go for another solution. Likely T-50 will use an arrangement of RAM pallets distributed along the inlet.
Just an opinion.
the F-22 it is the front view where its tall height and nose makes it the Mediterranean man of the stealth fighters. From other angles its great.
the YF-23 looks best from many different angles, especially on the top down view, but it also looks strange from the front view with its platy cha cha nose similar to those found in S.E Asians.
The T-50 on the other hand looks great front on, side, and rear.. but from the top view, its huge lerx makes it look obese. Its like Britney spears face, until you reach her gut where its pregnant.
I did’t know fighters can be classified according racial types!! :eek::D
Anyway F-22 looks as Mediterranean man as Al Pacino or as Franco Nero? :confused:
And if T-50 looks as Britney, then PAK-FA is not Russian; it is American of Celtic Saxon lineage!!! :p;)
YF-23 :dev2:
Have this sense or is another political gamble?
The Russian and Ukrainian presidents have agreed that Russia will help Ukraine complete the building of the guided missile cruiser Ukraina, which has been docked unfinished at the Nikolayev (Mykolaiv) shipyard in Ukraine.
The question right now is, what fate does the future hold for this cruiser, the last commissioned unit of a class of warships known as Project 1164, and, in particular, who will the ship ultimately belong to?
The fourth Project 1164 class cruiser (the class is also referred to as Slava, by the name of its initial ship) was laid down in 1984 as Admiral Lobov. Under the project, its missiles were designed for use against high-survivability warships accompanied by auxiliary vessels with air and missile defense weapons systems.
It was to be supplied to the Russian navy in 1990, but construction slowed down in the late 1980s after the Soviet Union cut its military spending. The vessel was eventually launched in August 1990, but was in practice only 95% complete, lacking some non-essential equipment and weapons.
Following the break-up of the Soviet Union, the cruiser was turned over to Ukraine, which had no money for completing it, and renamed Ukraina. At first, the Russian navy could not buy it, and later, the deal was prevented by political differences between the two countries.
Neither could the warship be sold to China or India because its weapons, in particular the Bazalt/Vulkan (SS-N-12 Sandbox) missile system with a range of 1,000 km (622 miles), could not be exported as exceeding the 300-km (186-mile) international range limit on exported missiles.
When Viktor Yanukovych won the presidential election in Ukraine last year, and a change in the political climate ensued, the two countries resumed talks on the completion of the cruiser for the Russian navy. However, the problem is it cannot be completed according to the initial design because the equipment created in the 1970s and 1980s is no longer produced.
In fact, the idea is to undertake an extensive overhaul to modernize the ship and arm it with modern weapons systems. Besides, the equipment mounted on the cruiser needs to be repaired or replaced after its long stay in the dock.
Most importantly, considering Russia’s serious need for large modern warships, it could actually buy the cruiser Ukraina (and possibly rename it again). A modernized cruiser armed with a modern combat command and control system, a multipurpose shipboard fire-control system and sonar equipment would be among the world’s most powerful and effective warships, if supported by the new-generation corvettes and frigates that are being built for the Russian navy, against any enemy. And if the modernization of the cruiser Ukraina proves a success, it could also be used on the other Project 1164 ships – Moskva, Marshal Ustinov and Varyag.
The cruiser Ukraina has a firepower second only to the Project 1144 heavy missile cruisers, such as Pyotr Veliky, currently the only ship of this class on combat duty. Its foreign analogue is the Ticonderoga class of missile cruisers (22), which have better electronic and air defense systems, but a weaker anti-ship capability.
An upgrade of the Project 1164 cruisers, with installation of new combat command and control systems and replacement of the S-300F Fort missile systems with new-generation weapons, would ensure them superior firepower compared to their main rivals.
However, even the best warships are not fully effective without a sufficient number of escort and auxiliary vessels, a coastal infrastructure and trained personnel. And they will be even less effective in the absence of a clear short- and medium-term naval strategy.
The Russian authorities are yet to prove that they are aware of this.
(Slava class cruisers were designed as surface strike ships with an anti-aircraft and ASW capability. They carry 16 SS-N-12 Sandbox nuclear-capable supersonic anti-ship missiles, with launchers mounted in four pairs on either side of the superstructure. Russia has three Slava class cruisers in service with its Navy.)
The opinions expressed in this article are the author’s alone and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
MOSCOW (RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik)
Regarding your airborne missile: Yes, once you are up there with a missile armed bomber as first stage your ballistic range is pretty darn impressive. I think I had a thread about that. Not sure I remember correctly, but a THAAD class missile launched up high could go thousands of kilometers ballistically. Offering the same options as the ICBM above it could also be tasked either offensively (with a nuclear warhead), or defensively (boost-phase intercept, plus mid-course intercept, even anti-satellite). Launched from a loitering platform (LO would be optimal) such a platform could prevent an enemy launch via boost-phase intercept, and at the same time launch a retalatory strike against the enemy launch base.
AFAIK, the development of S-300V was motivated not only by the Pershing threat but also by fear to F-111 launched SRAM (just 150 km range). Kh-15 with 300 km range and 1.5+ km/s is touted as an effective Patriot killer even in the west. So, what about extending the range of Kh-15 with newer propellants and a lighter warhead? A 2.000 km range ALBM will need development from scratch but we are no in the 60s anymore and the chance of success will be definitively higher than the Skybolt one. In addition, as it can circumvent the 1987 INF treaty, you can deploy several dozens on Tu-22s to free ICBM targeted at mid-abroad spots (I.e. China, Japan, U.K). Consider also the potential for use as an ABM in face of an hypothetical Chinese or Iranian BM.
Given the money constraints of the Russian defense budget, it looks as a very interesting option. Just an opinion.
I wonder about a simple way to off-set prospective BMD. What about ALBM. I mean a XXI century Skybolt launched from i.e. a Tu-22M3 to fill the hole opened by the INF. Let’s assume, also some Kh-55 replaced by a “Skyboltsky” (with range around 2.000 km) in Tu-160s. A really problematic weapon for the defender.
Awesome view! The beast is definitively beautiful!!!!.
Nuclear cruisers to face upgrade
Russian competent authorities decided to rebuild decommissioned Kirov-class heavy nuclear-powered missile cruisers.
Vladimir Popovkin, Deputy Minister of Defense mentioned on air Ekho Moskvy radio in Sept 2009 about necessity of surface fleet’s modernization and, in particular, about recovery programs for nuclear cruisers.
The decision on this matter has already been made: heavy nuclear-powered missile cruisers Admiral Ushakov (Northern Fleet) and Admiral Nakhimov (Pacific Fleet) will remain in operational force of Russian Navy after appropriate modernization, reported Interfax referring to a source in United Shipbuilding Corporation. At present, both ships are in Severodvinsk.
According to the source, it is planned to appropriate 500-600 mln RUR for this project in the current year. Previously, it was supposed to complete overhaul and modernization of Admiral Nakhimov at Sevmash shipyard in 2011, although it is apparent now that the terms of completion will be postponed, writes Belomorkanal. As of today, upgrade of the Northern Fleet’s cruiser has not been bankrolled so far.
If true, why to buy the Ukraina? It makes no sense.
Nebo radar in Irán?
http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/04/advanced-russian-radar-site-defending.html
That will be disturbing for a stealth attacker. Although Nebo can’t track stealth targets, it likely can provide warning and detection data.