Thanks for the input so far, everyone. John, a friend of mine (actually George Jones of early Wrecks and Relics fame) has also just suggested an Re 8 or Be 2. The story about it being recovered in WW2 may not be accurate. It must have been a lot earlier, judging by the lack of water damage.
BTW don’t know where the “thumbs down” icon came from. I don’t think I activated it!
Chris, have you seen the short piece about your uncle’s accident in Dave Earl’s book Hell on High Ground Vol 2? I had forgotten about this till I just checked the book. Some photos of the wreckage 2,800 ft up the mountain and detail about the aircraft’s mission. No entries from ORBs however.
I checked the ORB for No 63 MU back in the 1970s. My notes do not include anything about the Ben Lui Hudson so I believe that it was not mentioned specifically. Not absolutely sure of this, however. It seems that almost nothing of this aircraft was recovered at the time, judging by what was left in the 1970s. It was in a gully and not easily accessible so it may simply have been abandoned. The ORB for No 58 OTU at RAF Grangemouth, the nearest station to the site reads:
“18 April 1941: Report received from police that an aircraft was seen near summit of Ben Lui. It was thought it might be Spitfire R6643 missing since 10 April. A party was sent out. Crashed aircraft, however, was a Hudson of No 233 Squadron, Aldergrove, with a crew of four sergeants all killed. Body of one recovered and brought to Grangemouth. Remaining could not be recovered without salvage assistance.”
24 April: Remaining three sergeants recovered”
I presume that No 63 MU were responsible. The Spitfire remains missing to this day.
Skeffington, not ham. Back in the 1970s, there were some quite hefty chunks of airframe scattered across the farmland. I would guess that it was descending on a radar talkdown and had a wrongly set altimeter. The site is almost in line with Bruntingthorpe’s south-westerly runway, about six miles out.
Thanks for that Denis. I would like to think the opening sequence was shot in England. By the way, just got a signed copy of Beirne Lay Jr’s I Wanted Wings for a very small sum via Abebooks.com!
Are you sure about this, as After the Battle mag (I think) said that the opening sequences were filmed at an old USAAF field in Alabama. The fences look “American” but otherwise the scene looks like England.
Apart from ones involving airline stewardesses, you mean? 😀
Another thought – could the 55 on the cap indicate the 55th TFS at Wethersfield?
Is it one of the US Aero Club ones based at places like Chelveston in the 50s/60s?
I have now found the reference to the Norseman crash. It is in the casualty listing in Jon Maguire’s book “Gooney Birds and Ferry Tales”. This list is often inaccurate, quoting hearsay rather than cold facts in some of the entries. Pilot was 1/t Winfield H Malone 325th Ferrying Sqn, F/Engineer M/Sgt Loyd F Cheek 320th Transport Sqn, Cpl Henry A Mazzie (possibly Mazzei) of 320th. All killed 10 July 1944 in a UC-64 “on a flight to deliver a tire and wheel for a Lockheed Hudson which was damaged earlier at Preston, Scotland. On the flight, their Norseman crashed into King Alfred’s Tower near Zeals, Wilts, Yeovil, England.”
Malone and Cheek are buried at Cambridge and the ABMC database confirms the 10 July date. Maybe Preston was Prestwick but what were they doing in Wilts so far away and where would they get the Hudson spares from? The plot thickens!
Is that scar on the upper right where it impacted, perhaps?
No, definitely a Norseman. I’m pretty sure they were never built by DHC under sub-contract but maybe someone disagrees?
It was definitely a Norseman of one of the Ferrying Squadrons. I have more details somewhere but can’t find them at present!
Yes, forgot about the balloon squadron!