Not as good as the WB-50s from Burtonwood which used to drop local kids’ Santa letters “over the North Pole” while on daily weather flights. I suspect it was only just the other side of the Arctic Circle but it was a nice touch!
On 20/8/60, Norton had Spit LF16 TB308, Spit F22 PK724 and Vamp F1 VF281.
Can’t remember which (perhaps all?) were on the gate. I think Norton was a basic training camp. During the war, I believe it also gave punishment courses to aircrew who had erred in some way.
I was a young lad when BWD was active. For Jon H, my most vivid memory was a B-47 Stratojet take-off. She rolled and rolled down that 10,000 ft runway, the noisiest aircraft I have ever heard. Much louder than a Concorde departure. I could feel the sound waves battering my chest! Also remember one of the engines of a C-124 Globemaster backfiring just before lift-off. The pilot put the nosewheel back on the runway braked hard and then taxied all the way back to the holding point. After a lengthy run-up it took off successfully.
I last went up there 30-odd years ago and there wasn’t much left! The easiest approach is from the layby on the B4417 where the path starts up to Tre Ceiri, a Bronze (?) Age settlement. The latter is worth the walk even if the Hali probably isn’t. The path is fairly steep in parts but nothing dangerous or too strenuous. Time of year doesn’t really matter as long as the forecast is good. If snow is lying, you probably won’t find any bits. Difficult to get lost up here but be careful of the nasty rocky bits down the north side. One of the RAF salvage crew was badly injured here in a fall!
Sounds apochryphal to me. Grumman didn’t sue over the Hillman Avenger!
Thanks very much for the help, guys. I think it must have been the AF Historical Research Agency, although I seem to remember even more photos in the site I looked at!
By the way, Ian, no personal criticism. I’m sure you posted it in good faith. Realistically, people who follow this forum are very unlikely to interfere with the P-38. It’s not exactly easy to get at either!
Agreed; can the Mod pull it, please?
No good trying to trace the pilot. Just discovered that 2/Lt Elliott was MIA on 5 Dec 1943, still with 49th FS/14th FG. Commemorated on memorial at Carthage, Tunisia.
Bingo! I reckoned the P-38 was still there as the prop tips were sticking up many years ago. It is P-38F 41-7677 of 14th FG, Atcham. Lt Robert F Elliott force-landed in the surf 27 Sept 42 after fuel/engine problems near RAF Llanbedr.
I think the most intriguing part of this programme was the fact that AAIB came up with the original accident report when these were supposedly all destroyed in the 1970s. They were held at the so-called Hayes archive in Middlesex. Rumour had it that the existence of this archive was denied by officialdom in the 1980s and a researcher who enquired about it was threatened with legal action or worse! So then, do the reports still exist in the hands of today’s AAIB (Air Accident Investigation Branch)?
I took that photo in the WWIG mag in 1968. Definitely not retouched! The code appeared to be G2-C because of missing skinning but Roger Freeman reckoned it was G2-Q.
OK, I confess, I am the DJ Smith! I have long forgotten why P5090 was removed and who did it. Possibly it was because it was being reported as a new wreck by, among others, an F-101 Voodoo pilot. I went to the site in 1968 when it was visible from about two miles away on the mountainside. Apart from the front fuselage, it was more or less all there. The little wing root bomb doors still hinged up and down on their bungee cords! The wings were virtually intact, minus the fabric on the rear half, as was the rear turret. Definitely one of the best preserved high ground wrecks in Britain, except maybe the Hudson on Ben Lui and the Lightning on Plynlimon. I deliberately excluded the latter from HGW and it STILL got pillaged.
It was sitting on the GA apron at Liverpool last week. It did go to France for a D-Day event in June.
My wife’s father was 37 when he was posted missing in Lanc LL890 of No 15 Sqdn on 5-6/7/44. Air gunner Sgt Charles R Canday. I don’t think he was the oldest casualty, though.