Scorpion89If you truly believe this is impossible then I feel kind of sorry for you. Dare to dream – or risk being boring forever.
No I don’t think its impossible but what I know is the the facts which I have already stated
As for touching the Lake Mead aircraft – I was under the impression that diving on it was prohibited, and you had to be some kind of mega qualified diver with special equipment…
It wasn’t till the airframe was declared an Historical Item that un-restrict dive were stopped you can still dive on her but must receive written permission. As for the dive it self yes its a mix tank dive no big thing.
Scorpion89Once again I refer to the title you used for this thread.
You want to talk about the Hypo on the recovery then make sure you say that. When I came to the Forum and saw this thread I was guessing that you wanted to discuss why this plane hasn’t been recovered and if it could be.
Well I told you why it couldn’t be recovered would you lie to know how it was going to be recovered and the exact price it was going to take to just do the recovery huh. Oh and since I’ve actually seen the plane and touch it its not exactly what the photos on the internet show. Its in allot worst condition then it appears sir. but then again I have no idea what I’m talking about right.:confused:
Scorpion89Who are you to feel you need to end any discussion here?
I don’t give a dime for the discussion on WIX – This is not WIX.
If you took the time to read the original post, you would see that it was not just about the Lake Mead B-29, it was about large scale recovery vs restoration of stored aircraft.
That we post a few laughs about the Lake Mead is simply the tone of the post. Nothing serious, but odd and ends about recovery.
Don’t police the board, add your bit, or simply move along – thanks.
Wrong Sir the name of the thread is called “Lake Mead B-29 Recovery Discussion” if anyone in this thread I have the most knowledge of said airframe and its outcome hence there is no discussion on this airframe. As I stated in my last post BLM has made there case and while I certainly don’t agree with it I have to live with it because they own allot of land that has allot of different airframes on them including US Naval airframes and I rather not PO them since I want to maybe recover a few of these airframes.
As for other airframes in this thread the only other airframe that is a B-29 brought up was Doc by Peter who was stating he would like to see it it rebuild before another very wrecked 29 is recovered.
As for me policing the board please get a grip sir the only thing I’ve done is stated that there is no reason to have this discussion because of the FACTS.
As for Wixs correct but what both Dave and I were pointing out is that there is already at least one discussion on this on Wixs along with at least one on Flypast maybe you should try using the Search on Flypast then.
To make it simple end of discussion that airframe won’t be recovered not by me nor you or anyone else unless the President of the United States give his/hers permission. Now if that doesn’t sit with you then may I suggest you move to the States become an American Citz. and then complain to your elective officials till then lets move on to airframes that can/could be recovered. Surely you must have some in your Country correct.
Scorpion89I would like to point out to everyone come this Spring the Water Level will be back to its original height this years snow fall has been rather heavy and the Spring Melt will be a heavy one this year.
Scorpion89Rob,
The City did not want to sellthe aircraft in fact from what has been said it doesn’t appear that the city was informed until this came to light via media concerns.It was the museum that wanted to sell the aircraft. Just wanted to clarify that.
Peter,
I understand what I’m trying to say what if the City down the road decides that they need to come up with a way to fund some City project(s) just being Devil Advocated on this one.
there is nothing stop them from selling the airframes as I try to point out in the last thread its like when the City sells off surplus Police Cars I know its a poor example but that is how the City looks at it.
Scorpion89Alright Time to end this discussion as Dave point out there was a rather large discussion on it on Wixs but since you feel you need to discuss this more then here let me explain it to you from one of the person who had was part of the group trying to raise her.
The airframe is owned by The Dept. of Interior who have declared it an Historical Site it now listed on The National Historical Act under both Section 106 and 110. Congress has declared it off limits and the only way that it can be recover is one Congress pass a bill to allow it and second the President sign it off.
So end of discussion move on nothing to see here folks.
Scorpion89But Mark,
Thats just it the question I put up are one that He should b able to answer since he has been part of the Museum from the get go, do you fell that the question are out of hand, would you not ask me the same question if I was involved and not Richard and wouldn’t you expect at least some of the question to be answer with out the side stepping going on.
As for the ownership issue I think everyone seems to forget what I put up in the first thread and Richard has made it clear in this one these airframes are owned by the City hence if they decide to sell them because they feel its in the best interest of the City then folks need to except this and stop jumping up and down. I go back to my original question on this what if a well know or not well know Warbird Person from Canada comes along and say I would like to purchase the Mossie then what will the group that stop this sell do huh.(And Yes I know someone in Canada who has the ways and means to restore the Mossie but wants own it not funded its not his deal to restore other Museum airframes and no I will not pass along his name).
Scorpion89Hi Bruce,
I know the owner of those pictures and he has debated putting them and others on the site, but as an interested party, has declined to get involved. I have seen the many he has and can confirm from discussions with him that the airframe and engines are in clean, dry, heated storage and are not suffering any more than if they were on display in the Museum’s spaces. Any debate as to the conditions of the current storage situation is a red herring. A few items are/were stored outside but under cover and their condition was satisfactory and restorable.
SeaDog,
How do you come to the conclusion that the condition of the Storage Building is a Red Hearing huh, I can show you many different examples of airframes that are in Storage Buildings tha have suffer do to what I ask not proper heating or venting nor having a Fire System installed.
Now the photos that Bruce posted do in fact show the Mossie airframe appears to be good condition but as he said they are a few years old and really don’t show any detail of the wood nor has anyone put up photos of the Hurri to really see it state we are lead to believe that one side claims it a pile of parts and by the other a decent airframe.
I’ve never seen photos of this airframe but what I’ve been told by folks who have they say it sort of falls ibetween the two descriptions.
Scorpion89Richard,
Why do you wish not to answer any of the question I put out their huh.
Its not like I’m asking anything that is rather diffecult to answer, and by what I can tell you seem to be just side stepping allot of the question. I would really like these answer and it seems that allot of other folks would also.
So would mind and answer them form(us) thank you.
As for your last comment the only constructive comments I have is to scrap the Heritage Laws and Sell the Mossie off to rebuild the Hurricain so they both can be used to educated the next generation. The last time I look that was part of our stewership of these airframes.
Scorpion89There are still at least two B-29s on the China lake range (they can be seen on Google earth). Even if the official stand seem to be, that there are no more B-29 there (maybe one of the US readers can shed some light here).
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Could you post the image for us,, if its the one I’m think then you are looking at Doc and the wreck that was siting near Doc. but your correct their is at least two left at China Lake one out on the Hot range and wreck that is made up of at least three different airframes.
There is allot of stuff on China Lake, along with the F-84 I’ve already mention there is quite a number of F6F Drones two F7Fs three or four PB4Ys close to 20 F9Fs both Panthers and Cougars.
Scorpion89In the 1970s, 3 TBMs were preserved in Japan, haven’t heard from them since. Any news on them?
Hi EHVB,
I know a guy who lives in Japan and is a big Warbird guy I’ll send him an email asking if he has any updates.
Also the could you tell me more about the folks who want a TBM IE is this a Museum if so then I might be able to help you with a TBM here in the States.
Scorpion89Why is it always about the where an aircraft is, why is it not what can be done to get an aircraft back into the air. I for one don’t care if an aeroplane that is in bits and unairworthy is on my side of the world or yours. I would rather see it back in the air – SOMEWHERE.
I presume that if something is going to spend a large bucket of money on purchasing the remains of an aircraft – then it will be restored back to flying condition.
The trouble often is that people get obsessive about the location of an aircraft and that problem obstructs many projects to airworthy getting off the ground. Same arguement applied to private vs public ownership.
With all do respect Proctor, I think you need to go back a few pages and read the post that Mk12 put up on this and read the whole thread.
Then come back and make a comment.
Scorpion89Oh and if your into Vintage stuff there is the S-39 that is sitting at the bottom of two Lakes in Alaska its one of the four know S-39 left in the World.
Scorpion89Since i have been surprised by two large private collections recently, I was wondering if there are any other ones out there.
Does anyone know?
Yes I know of a few different collections in the United States,
In Ohio there is a guy who has allot of early jets including two Banshee’s, three F9Fs two C-45s a few different early helicopters. I’m hoping to see the collection this spring when I visit a friend who knows the owner quite well.
In New Hampshire the guy who owns Sikorsky S-39 NC50V has quite a collection of Waco’s and other early vintage airframes.
Also don’t forget Kermit Weeks collection somewhere around 100+ aircraft.
I know of a few other collection like the guy who just purchase all the T-28s that have been on a few threads on here and Wixs.
Scorpion89Question for Richard
Alright lets try this again,
1. Could you please psot photos of both the Hurricain and Mossie
2. As I ask in the first thread can you please describe the storage building you stated it was a stone building so wit that in mind is it set up for long term storage of Wooden Airframes Ie proper Heating and Venting, Fire Retard System in place.
3. Since you were/are part of the Museum from the started why hasn’t there been any effort to at least move the Mossie out on display
4. Could you please explain why it was alright to sell the Stringbag and the other Hurrie and the still mystery third airframe while you seem he11 bent to stop this sell that would have helped both airframes.
5. What is your connection to the museum now(If you feel that this is a personal question feel free to pm me)
6. Now that your group has won this round what are you going to do to help the museum and what will you do if the board decide to over ride the City dession and offer it again for tender. (Oh and By the way I was reading a little up on heritage laws) Did you know that if a museum has an item that they feel that they can’t properly maintane they can offer it for dispolel on the grounds that they can’t follow the Heritage Laws. A few Art items have been sold or transferred this way.
7. A follow up to the above question would you be upset if say a well know collector from Canada came forward to purchase the Mossie and the museum except his/her offer.
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