Hmm maybe there are structural issues we aren’t aware of?
I have some infos from air fan so the AdA has today 42 rafales including 35 twin seaters.
There is already today more F3 than F2 and the upgrade will be over in february 2010.
the EC1/91 was recreated the 31 march 2009 it will be fully operational during the summer 2010 although it can already perform other non nuclear missions since most of the personnel comes from the provence squadron.
The provence squadron is now mostly composed of single seater for operational tasks.
The first new build rafale F3 was delivered in september 2009.
Thanks for the reply. ALbeit I thought the first example was delivered in august 2008 to the MN. September was the first delivery to the AdA?
What is the current status of the AdA EC 1/91 Cascogne? It was formely planned to be named EC 2/7?
BTW how many new built F3s have been delivered?
Several years ago when the F-22 first flew a display at Oshkosh one of the F-22 pilots interviewed said, in effect, that they could have supercruised from Langley to Oshkosh if they’d wanted to. That’s about 800 miles. (Actually what he said was that they could have made the trip in 30 minutes but that sent the F-22-haters into convulsions the last time I mentioned it so I toned it down. :diablo: )
One way ferry without combat etc. is something different and as the range on internal fuel figures are about twice the 800 miles figure, that might be reasonable.
I know.
But still, the future Block 40 Raptor (IOC ca. 2011) will feature an advanced HMD (based on the F-35’s), advanced NCW (network-centric warfare avionics) and integration of ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance avionics).
Did you bother reading the article in the opening post? Obviously not. Read it and update yourself about the facts.
F-22 Raptor Blocks
This is dated and not representive anymore.
Are you sure ?
The HLD (Head Level Display) is collimated to infinity (in fact, i remember of 20 or 30 meters). This is what Arthuro explains :
This is what makes it so comfortable to the eyes when the pilot constantly look at the screen, outside, and to the screen again etc. The eye doesn’t have to accommodate, it’s exactly like if the tactical picture was projected on the sky.
I was told at Thales that only the side screens are touch screens (even the small ones on the very side).
Well that’s what a Rafale M pilot said to a Phantom pilot on TLP.
Its funny how to see that on the same subject some pilots will be very shy and then you talk to another guy like from the DGA and you get much more precise infos…So there is a part of luck in this
Thanks for the info albeit nothing really new here. For the case you didn’t know you can select targets on the HLD by touch.
The reaction is typical, military personal is often more restricted or at least more careful due restrictions.
And in the short term we are lacking units for training (not to speak of deployment) and have even less time per frame for training as Austrian pilots are using our frames for that as well. Well, yes, they are paying for the training, but that doesn’t make the current aircraft availability any less dire.
True, but in the end we’ll have more T2 and fewer T1.
2.8 bln $ for just 12 planes? That’s an average 233 mln $ per aircraft.
German government clears T3A
The government coalition has cleared the funds for the procurement of 31 additional Eurofighters, which comprise the german allocation of T3A. The deal is said to be worth 2.8 bln € and is part of an overall approvement for defence procurment programmes for the german armed forces at an value of 6 bln €.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/haushaelter-segnen-eurofighter-bestellung-ab;2368003
72 additional Typhoon’s for the RSAF?
According to the following source Saudi-Arabia seems to be interested in procuring another 72 Typhoons, if the current order goes well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1193766/BAE-line-new-Saudi-fighter-deal.html
Saudi Arabia is considering placing a blockbuster order for a further 72 Typhoon fighter jets, worth about £5billion, which could provide a huge boost to defence giant BAE Systems.
The oil-rich kingdom signed an original deal for 72 of the jets in 2006. These are in the process of being handed over to Saudi, with the first two Eurofighter Typhoons delivered just last week.
An industry source said: ‘The Saudis are interested in taking more Typhoons, probably about the same amount again, as long as this (current order) all goes well.’
Sounds interesting, though this might take some time and as usual everything might be subject to change.
NG is lobbying for SABR to be fitted to foreign platforms including the Gripen and Typhoon. Previously Raeython tried its luck with RACR on the Gripen. I doubt they will succeed and hope so as well.
Edit:
Damn it forgot the link
http://www.defensenews.com/osd_story.php?sh=VSDP&i=4143919
UK and French did, but the Germans, Spanish, Italians, didn’t and the Swedes use American engines even today. I was talking about post WW2 era.
Might have to do with the fact that those other countries were mainly operating foreign types, spare Sweden.;)
Seems the Austrians got ripped off… 114 million Euro sounds rather expensive for “partially used” T1 planes planes, in particular since they have the minimum of equipment… And their operational costs may be higher than expected .
I wonder what 15 Gripen would have cost them… :diablo:
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Both the procurment and operating costs include EVERYTHING. This includes spares, simulators, setting up logistics and infrastructure modifications to the Goldhaube were supposed to be included as etc. Austria had to pay some 57 mln € penalties for the cancelation of 3 aircraft. In the end a bad deal for Austria, but they didn’t deserve it better. The winners are the Luftwaffe in the long term and ofcourse the Eurofighter GmbH.