Apparently Mr Carlsson has been beaten to it by an upstart Frenchman – shades of 1909!
Yes, that was quite a fun little video clip – the music was perhaps a trifle obvious, but very apt! Looks like a breezy day at DX when they filmed the flying too – with the camouflaged Rapide, the Chipmunk and the Beech 18 (?) behind, were the hangar scenes DX too?
Must get to the Autumn do at OW again and see theirs – but first I must get to the allotment from where, in May 1911, I would have seen Latham arriving (heavily…) in his Antoinette!
Adrian
*Humming*They’re all frightfully keen, those magnificent men in their flying machines….
Since this tread has been revived…I’d like to post “the rest of the story” about my request for information.
The 101 year-old farmer I reqested information for in post #11 recently passed away.
I’m very sorry to hear that he’s died, but I’m glad that I brightened his day up. I spend a lot of time here in the way and being facetious, so it’s good to occasionally do a service. God rest him.
Adrian
Try taking photos of sheep with flash. You’ll see what I mean when you see them.
Black Sheep Squadron. Just to keep it on-topic for aviation.
Adrian
I’ve just got Fleming’s certificate, and it too reads “Great Sampford RD” – I think that RD is “Rural District” rather than road.
Interestingly, where normally you would get the informant’s details – ie the person who registered the death – this one reads “Certificate received from D M Fleming Officer Commanding” – so presumably the RAF handled the identification and so on. Given that the bucket squad would presumably be enlisted men, so unlikely to be local, I suspect that that was plenty close enough for the paperwork wallahs. A pain, as if the other aircraft fell in either Sampford it would have been Little.
Bother…
Adrian
Can’t say anything else, except that the truncated one absolutely matches my finds from Whitstable – broken off part-way up.
Adrian
Wolfpack,
I’d be very interested to hear more about the other site – it has always been my understanding that the landowner would not allow it to be dug.
Incidentally, that’s almost certainly the same clipping my parents sent me in 1983 – sadly Phil Chapman died about three years ago.
Adrian
Junk Collector,
I think you might be taking orders for that DVD! 1983 sounds right to me – I hadn’t been away at boarding school long when it happened, I got sent the newspaper clipping. I wasn’t impressed…
Smashed engine sounds right – I’ve been told that the engine wasn’t recovered, but as the parts on display at a village history exhibition included several pistons still in their liners, I think that idea came about because it didn’t come out in one big lump but as a pile of bits.
The second certificate is now ordered, will see what transpires.
Adrian
That’s great, Ross, thank you!
Steve, I’ll take Fleming and order him over the weekend. I was hoping that one might have been registered in another district but, as the other aircraft fell very near several parish boundaries (and the district boundary), I’m guessing that if the bucket squad (God, that most have been a ghastly job) came from Debden then both would probably have been registered together. So it might not help. We can but try…
Adrian
That sounds like a good idea Adrian. Whats the easiest way of getting hold of the death certificates.
You order them from here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
BUT you need the correct reference first. I’m a bit out of the loop on family history now, and FreeBMD doesn’t seem to have got as far as 1941, but I’m guessing someone reading this knows of a site (Ancestry?) that has the indexes available. Can anyone help?
Wyvernfan, form an orderly queue – I was there first! Not as first as my father, who saw the poor sods go in, but still before you. :diablo:
Adrian
Well in that case, if you fancy punting £7 for one certificate I’ll get the other and we can compare notes…
Adrian
Steve,
A thought occurred to me this evening – rare, I know! Perhaps some of the other forumites might like to comment on whether the idea is a goer or not?
I presume that as the deaths occurred in the UK, they would have been registered as per usual. In that case, if you applied for the death certificates, you MIGHT be able to put a pilot in each place – I think the other one crashed in Finchingfield parish, or possibly Hempstead, though they won’t identify the aircraft.
Anyone ever tried that before?
Adrian
Hi Pete,
Getting on OK, how about you? Incidentally, take a look at the Hurricane parts thread going at the mo – local interest, methinks.
No Beech 18s this weekend, but saw the Red Sparrows over Wolvercote on Sunday lunchtime, then later on whilst I was cricketing the Vulcan came over Minster Lovell – I guess heading for Kemble as she certainly wasn’t in the Brize Norton pattern as most things are there.
Adran
It was indeed, my friend, passed over Braintree, heading in that direction late afternoon at about 5:00, at first I thought it was our usual pal the Cat, but no, it was a Beech 18, was most impressed, not seen one over here before.
Following shortly after that, a Spifire did a glorious wing over pass over the town, no idea which one it was.
How are you doing by the way, I presume that you were at your Mum and Dads for the weekend.
WOW!
That must have been quite a sight and sound – perhaps not as speedy as the Reds, but some spectacle!
Adrian
(I know that doesn’t add anything to the discussion, but I defy you not to be moved by those pics)
Hi Steve,
Good to see you online!
Another question for those here (by the way, you may have already have guesed that one or two take the mick a bit – don’t worry, they mean well!) – it was my understanding that pilots didn’t get to fire their guns until they got to a squadron. Had this changed by August 1941?
Adrian
Incroyable! C’est magnifique! Yes, that is EXACTLY what I was after – thank you very much!
Adrian
(about to be arrested by the exclamation mark police)