I don’t follow.
Yes, I noted the apparent non-sequitur too! (Ollie posted while I was posting this – I think that’s a fair comment, and I wonder whether a belief that others may have gone supersonic in other aircraft misled the US when you look at aircraft like the one I cite below)
Personally, and I am not an aerodynamicist so I stand to be corrected by one, it was my understanding that with the sort of power available from jet engines at the time that anything that was going to be practical at supersonic speeds needed to be “area-ruled”. As far as I recall the practicalities of this meant that supersonic aircraft would need a “coke-bottle” shaped fuselage with a distinct waist, as in the F-102 and F-106. The Me262 has almost the opposite of this, with a spindle-shaped fuselage. I’m not sure how the DH108 fits into this, but I suspect that the survival rate (3 built, 3 crashed fatally) might have a lot to do with their practicality as a supersonic aircraft – ie not very!
If you want an example of the “It looks supersonic, so it must be” folly, read up on the Douglas X-3 Stiletto. It looks as though it could outrace an SR-71. In fact, it couldn’t top Mach 1 without diving, partly due to lack of power and partly due to lack of appreciation of area-ruling.
Adrian
Bother! That’s so much easier!
*sulks*
Adrian
If you log in and go to “Members list” (third from left in the blue toolbar above this window – starts with “User CP” to the left), you will get a list of members. There’s an alphabet at the top of the screen – go to the top, select “T”, and you’ll get about 11 pages of people whose name begins with T. I think Tom is on about page 8 – if he isn’t, I’m sure you can work out which page it is!
Click on his name, you’ll see a little box come up with a tab marked “visitor messages”. Ignore that one, instead click the one marked “Contact info” and choose an option!
I’ve only ever dealt with Tom by private message (PM), but he’s a good bloke and I’m sure if you post him one of your (absolutely stunning!) images he’ll do what he can to help you.
Good luck – and let us see when you are finished!
Adrian
Looking back over this thread, I’m startled that no-one has even taken a pot-shot at my challenge of 20th November. I genuinely expected to have it answered within minutes.
It’s also another reason for having the statue in the town itself, of course, though I don’t know whether that was a consideration.
Adrian
SteveB has very kindly sent me scans of the Aeromilitaria article.
It seems that the 120-plus aircraft is a slight exaggeration – none of the operations landed more than about 36 at Great Sampford – although in terms of total aircraft including tugs it’s not too far off for the rehearsals for the Rhine crossing. These included Hamilcars, but these were released over their home bases to avoid having to recover them. Slightly bizarrely, one Horsa intended for Great Sampford ended up at Hethel – heaven only knows how!
And – aeronut will be pleased to hear this – retrieval was by Dakotas of 5 Heavy Glider Servicing Unit’s Glider Rescue Pool.
Finally, it turns out that the airfield on the briefing board is Earl’s Colne – should have checked when I looked up Rivenhall, as they are only a couple of miles apart.
Thank you for the help – it’s much appreciated – and thank you to Pondskater for the reference for the ORB. Methinks a trip to Kew is called for…
Adrian
Blimey! You are right – that’s impressive!
Adrian
Thank you very much for looking that up. With that length of take-off, especially if they faced into the prevailing wind, they’d be away and at a safe height long before they ran out of runway. I’m impressed by such a short run – I guess the Dakota is relatively light (fuel, but no cargo), and the glider provides its own lift? I wonder if Hendon has the station ORB? It would be interesting to find out which squadrons, and thus which aircraft, were involved. With 120 gliders used, I suspect that it might have been a wide range of tugs.
Adrian
Probably more than in V7497, given that that didn’t even have the benefit of a belly-landing, but dived in from 20,000-plus feet…
(puts big brown spoon away)
Adrian
These are the airfield that I resume the briefing is being held at – does anyone recognise it? It certainly isn’t Rivenhall, the one airfield I am reasonably certain provided gliders, as their runways were 04/22, 10/28 and 16/34. The one in the pic looks to be 12/30, 07/25 and 01/19 if that’s any help?
Adrian


I believe that it was Pete Brothers who bought tears to my eyes watching “Spitfire Ace”, in an exchange with Carolyn Grace. Just three words each… “You have control”. “I have control”.
God bless you.
Adrian
Third aircraft back is I think RS-T of ‘Bob’ Stanford-Tuck.
I realise that to a certain extent it’s your job/life’s work, and I’m being spectacularly rude asking this, but… is there anything you don’t know about Spitfires? :confused:
Adrian
(who would give his eye teeth just to know what Mark 12 has forgotten)
Thanks for the suggestions, gentlemen. Hopefully I can get somewhere. First thing will be to find Aeromilitaria and check the credits. Fingers crossed that as A-B identified them from the signal square someone will have made a note…
Adrian
Phew! That’s especially welcome as every time I’ve passed Duxford of late it’s been raining, and she’s sat forlornly in the wet.
It will be grand to see her in the air again. Come on Elly, get the wind under her wings!
Adrian
😮 Edited out due to making a pillock of myself… 😮
Adrian
Hmm. Vee-twin, girder forks… *hums* slap-and-tickle, a Vincent motor-sickle, reasons to be cheerful, part 3…
Definitely someone with too much time on their hands and no Vincent handy!
Adrian