Lee,
The email (received, by the way, thanks, G-ANPK) names a contact I could try.
The other email, replying to my initial query (and thrown at an email address I hoped existed!) suggests that the pics were probably from the RAF Museum collection.
If you fancy a go at confirming this and tracking them down, you are more than welcome. If not, I appreciate the thought!
Adrian
Well, if you fancy a challenge who am I to stop you? 😀
Great Sampford airfield, Aeromilitaria No 3 1981 – three pics of Horsas there. Probably RAF Museum collection, apparently.
I shall be very interested to see what you find!
Adrian
I must confess, I don’t recall anything on the memorial about being a first – I suspect I’m closer than you, want me to look? It’s about 300 yards away…
Adrian
Actually, that was rather a snarky response on my part – sorry!
AFAIK both were killed – one in the impact, one thrown clear in the break-up so it was unlikely anyone took notes. Just seems odd to mention one, when three was a crew of two (and I seem to be a snappy git this afternoon…).
Adrian
It was the first British military aviator to be killed,Second Lieutenant E Hotchkiss CFI of Brooklands on Sept 09th 1912 when the Bristol monoplane suffered structural failure and crashed near Oxford.
At risk of being picky, was he killed before or after Bettinson, his crewman… Given that both died.
Wikipedia (usual caveats apply) reckons this was the RFC’s first loss…
“The RFC’s first fatal crash was on 5 July 1912 near Stonehenge on Salisbury Plain. Killed were Captain Eustace B. Loraine and his observer Staff-Sergeant R.H.V. Wilson. An order was issued after the crash stating “Flying will continue this evening as usual”, thus beginning a tradition.”
Adrian
Not sure if it was the very first, Mike, I have a feeling it might have been the second in a few days, but it was one of the ones that led to the (in)famous ban on monoplanes. So certainly historically significant.
Actually, wasn’t the first on Laffan’s Plain somewhere?
Adrian
you’re obviously doing a job that a few of us would like, Tom!!
Damn right he is! I’ve met him “on the job” – and he turned a pair of (allegedly) adults into starry-eyed 12-year-olds again. Tom – if we ever run into you again, beers are on us!
Adrian
Brings to mind the old Scott Squirrell motorcycle. This water cooled two stroke twin would happily fire up rotating the wrong way and leave you with four reverse and no forward gears.
And there is the rub – I’ve taken slight liberties with Mike’s post to show the important words. Because a two-stroke has no valves, merely fixed ports in the cylinder walls, it is capable of running in either direction – the port is always there, whichever way the engine turns (in fact, I’ve seen a 2-stroke diesel stationary engine that could be set to rock backwards and forwards!).
I’m intrigued by James reference to aero-engines capable of this – I wasn’t aware of any two-stroke ones, though you can make a lighter and simpler 2-stroke than you can a 4-stroke. Or maybe rotary/radial engines are more capable or running back’ards than an inline?
Anyway, those dastardly huns…
Adrian
Fantastic, Mark. Thank you!
I will let him know ASAP.
Adrian
Is there any of these in existence?
Nothing near a complete one. There is a nose section on display at Yeovilton, and substantial wreckage in store there as well. I’ve had a quick Google, but haven’t found good pics – you might have more luck than me.
So, in short, possibly enough wreckage for a composite – one day!
Adrian
was it really a poor aircraft or another that history has been harsh on?
I knew a former Barracuda pilot, who always said he was mightily glad he never had to fight for real in it – he had a minor soft spot as something he’d flown, but otherwise wasn’t taken – he said the remains at Yeovilton produced very mixed feelings among his fellow Barra’ drivers, many of whom felt they were better off as tin cans!
I also recall that the late Lord Kilbracken (John Godley, I think he was in his service days) ditched in one. The place where the Admiralty decreed the navigator should take up his crash position was exactly the place where the fuselage folded in the resultant crunch… Luckily he had thought “Sod that!” and curled up elsewhere.
On the other hand, they did lay the Tirpitz up for two months… I guess you pays your money and takes your choice…
Adrian
That’s the one! Wouldn’t that cause a stir driving past Heathrow…
Adrian
Did anyone else see October’s pic and think “Hmmm. With a little judicious cropping, we have a caption contest here…”
Nice set of pics. I’ve got to DX twice this year, and it was dark both times!
Adrian
For more info, try looking out second hand copies of “Airborne”, a compilation of the autobiographical articles he wrote for Pilot magazine amongst others, which includes the tale related by Pogno, and also recounts the Zlin wing-folding incident in detail. I have read, and re-read my copy many times.
Paul F
Thanks for the heads-up, Paul. One to order from the Bodleian when I have a quiet day, I think!
Adrian
If you want to hear it in the pilot’s own words, check this out: http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm 😮
Hell’s teeth! It makes the mouth go dry reading it! What an astonishing piece of analysis – one cannot help thinking that most pilots this happened to would have been making their report to St Peter… 😮
Adrian