I love a chance to get the anorak out!

Right, here goes…

28. A Vickers Valentia? (highly bulbous derivative of the c.1919 Vickers Vimy)
29-33 Westland Lysanders
35 a more intact Gotha assault glider than earlier in the thread!
39 Blenheim MkIV
68, 69, 71 Junkers 87 Stuka
72 Junkers 52
73 MESSERSCHMITT (I’m hedging!) 109E
74 109F/G (probably F)
75 Heinkel He111
76 I think a Stuka, sans undercarriage. Compare with some of the more bashed earlier pics
76 Winston’s Lodestar again
77 Messerschmitt 109F
78 Junkers 52. The small twin-engined job is interesting – it’s MUCH smaller than the Junkers. I wonder whether it’s a Henschel tankbuster, the exact designation of which escapes me.
79 Savoia-Marchetti SM79. There are a couple of these in museums – the Lebanese air force used them into the 1960s
101 – it’s so ugly it’s surely French, but what?
102 – Bristol Beaufighter
103 Grumman Wildcat. Not sure if used by RAF – Fleet Air Arm called them the Martlet
104 my girlfriend spotted this one – must have her well trained! It’s a Tiger Moth. She didn’t get the two Fairey Albacores lurking behind, though…
105 Curtiss P40 Kittyhawk
144 Martin Baltimore
145 Beaufighter, with a Baltimore behind
147 Bristol Beaufort
151 North American Mitchell – is there a story behind the USAAF star and RAF fin flash, or was this standard in theatre? Possibly a North American T6 Harvard (or Texan if you’re a yank) behind
154 Lockheed Hudson
155 Blenheim Mk I
157 More Hudsons

OK, I’ll take the anorak off now and give everyone else a go…

Adrian the anally retentive 😮

EDIT: You rotter, Flood! I ‘ate people who type faster than me! Still, you can’t get 101 either…

Well Patrick, I’ll have a bash at a few. The first three aircraft are all Messerschmitts – (check my spelling – that looks funny to me!) – no doubt others can tell you the exact sub-type, so I’ll leave those for them. There is a also a Hurricane on a trailer with a legible serial so hopefuly someone will be able to give you chapter and verse on that.

Here’s a few awkward ones:
No71 – looks like a Wellington, mark unknown

No 73 I think is a Martin Maryland, and it just creeps into the edge of the next piccy too.

No75 – Junkers 87 Stuka

No 77 – definitely Martin Maryland, being pulled by what looks like an International Harvester Farmall. It’s certainly an American rowcrop tractor.

No 92 – Junkers Ju52/3m

No 93 – Messerschmitt Bf109E

No 94 – Bf109F

No 99 – now there’s a challenge! Come on chaps, wotizit?

I’ll leave the rest for greater minds than mine – hope that’s a start for you!

Adrian

Well, the soundtrack is terrible! So cheesy that Wallace and Gromit would probably try to eat it…

But that’s not the point! Where on earth did it surface, Olivier? Even with the quality issue, it’s an amzing bit of movie. Thank you for sharing it with us!

Adrian

Let’s show a little respect for this guy and his efforts. I don’t think that one contributor to this thread taking the michael out of his name is very clever – it certainly won’t help anyone now wishing to gain access and cooperation to see the collection.

OK, OK, it wasn’t very clever, but I took the view that if he chooses not to be known as Richard then he can’t get upset about it. I would be VERY surprised to hear if it does any damage to anyone’s chances of seeing the collection, or I wouldn’t have made the remark.

I apologise if anyone has taken offence at my remark.

Now can we get back to Havocs and Bostons?

M’sieur Langham, if you do get a look see might it be worth asking Mr Nutts if he knows anything about the remains from Carnedd Dafydd – there are obviously some sizeable chunks of Boston lying around somewhere that have eluded the eyes and ears of the forum. If they are no longer on that hillside as a memorial to the two men that died, then they ought to be put to good use if at all possible IMHO. If he is not the man to do so, perhaps he knows where they are or who could use them?

Adrian

If you were from the area me and him are, you wouldn’t be surprised…

Remind me to avoid Leicestershire then – with my sense of humour I can see me walking into a pub and getting a knuckle sandwich!

OK chaps, I’ve finished being a pillock, back to Havocs and their ilk!

http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/awayz2186.htm

This gives some detail of the aircraft – when I was there in 1994 there was practically a whole wing just behind the plaque. I believe that the engines – or at least one – went to the “Joy of Life” museum in nearby Bethesda, but by ’94 the Museum had gone and as for the engine…

So… Where did it go, and where is it now? It must have taken some shifting!

Adrian

I believe “substantial sections” were recovered at various times fron Carnedd Dafydd in Snowdonia – there was still a whole wing up there in 1994. I’ll have a quick search of my old posts and see if I can find the picture I posted. EDIT: Sorry, can’t find the beggar!)

As for what happened to the bits after recovery, though, haven’t a clue.

Adrian

That site does not explain then why the fuesalage and tail unit are sitting in the shuttleworth collections hanger. Thank you for that though.

According to the sign by it on Autumn Airshow day, it’s there because they are building it – at least that’s the impression I got. There was rather a lot of dust suggesting to me it’s having a hiatus at the mo – should we all pop out and buy a lottery ticket? Ah, it’s going to fly isn’t it, so no dice from HLF…

Seriously, I thought it was being built at OW. I believe there may be genuine Wallace/Wapiti down under somewhere, no doubt one of our antipodean members will let us know.

Adrian

Such as the V-serialled Hurricane currently under rebuild to fly recorded as shot down over Deal and crashing and burning out at East Sutton in 1940… :diablo:

No doubt a lovely thing when it flies, but is it really an early Hurricane, or something else masquerading as one?

In this case I have to say that I feel she is more historic conserved rather than restored. No doubt others will argue, and I will confess that ’twas not me who went to the trouble of hauling her out of a very deep lake…

Adrian