My thoughts exactly – I read this through, and had forgotten just how much good fun it was.
Now, the other day the Times ran a piece from 100 years ago that day reporting on the first Zeppelin raid, and it described how a car on the ground had used its headlights to signal to the marauding airship…:dev2:
Adrian
Having looked up the book Andy suggests, I think that’s the one – thank you. Apologies for keeping dragging your name up, Andy, but I’m afraid you are known for this topic!
Adrian
Will do. Andy might know, but I can only see his posts going back so far, and I can’t see it in there… if it was him who posted it!
Adrian
I’m almost certain it wasn’t – it covers crash recovery at the time, rather than more modern efforts.
Adrian
Agreed – if you read any of Andy’s “Finding the…” books, it’s obvious that very odd bits may remain at the surface in these cases – there’s one case where an ID was confirmed by a tab in a sock, I think, but the pilot concerned was never recovered. I’ll let you imagine the processes by which such things might escape the cockpit, if you don’t mind.
I don’t think there’s actually any legal standard, at least in the UK, but IIRC most coroners assume that average birth weight (about 7lb) of remains is enough to constitute a body, especially if there’s evidence of important bits such as head, spine, pelvis in there – so 7lbs of leg on its own might not constitute a body, but if you had 7lbs of leg and a kidney… I don’t know what the requirement is in France (or was in 1940) but presumably someone locally had enough remains to be worth burying, and something that provided an ID as well.
It’s not necessarily that simple – there’s at least one case in the UK where it’s likely that a pilot has two separate graves, and various cases where remains were apparently recovered at the scene but there is no record of a burial etc. The latter isn’t restricted to “the enemy” either, as I’m sure I’ve read accounts of that happening in the case of JFK’s brother in Suffolk – so there’s plenty of room for a body being in more than one place! Given the circumstances I don’t think there’s any way of knowing what happened that day in France in 1940 that could have led to Time Team being able to say one way or another what they would find beforehand, but with a gravestone standing in the churchyard it’s surely hard to describe the aircraft as a grave before you excavate and find otherwise?
Adrian
Thanks for posting that. “Salmon Ella” – ba boom tish!
Adrian
Agreed – thank you! My interest is in Flak Bait, which Dad could well have seen…
Adrian
Someone has actually written a book on the activities of the “bucket squads”, which has been referred to on this forum relatively recently… but can I recall what it was called? No!
I believe a Mr Saunders, sometimes of this parish, refers to the aircraft’s remains in his book on P9374.
Adrian
[stir]A Spanish “Heinkel” to replace the French “Junkers”?[/stir]
That Mustang looks good!
Adrian
Oops… for some reason I had 1960 fixed as the year he died, despite all the talk of the anniversary!:o
Adrian
No comment!
Adrian
I remember the flypast of Hunters and Lightnings but was there no Spitfire which would have added a great touch.
Were there any Spitfire’s available at the time, and would they have been allowed to fly over London? I have a feeling that such things were infra dig after SL574’s whoopsie the previous year at Bromley.
Adrian
Does anyone know whether the footage of the cortege going through Bladon illicitly filmed from an upstairs window by an enterprising camera crew ever saw the light of day? It was supposed to be embargoed during Clementine’s lifetime, but that’s all I know.
I can’t say that I’m actually all that interested in the footage itself, but I once met the chap who blagged his way into the sealed-off village to take it!
Adrian
Never been welded, does not need welding.
Verging on unique, then!
Adrian
Did it hit it?:p
One of those shots that makes you wonder when it happened last.
Adrian