Ouch!
Could have been a whole lot worse, though, couldn’t it?
Adrian
I’m sure I’ve read that a squadron of Lancasters were flown under both bridges across the Menai Straits… but the only reference I can find with Google is me asking exactly this question eight years ago – can anyone put me out of my misery and confirm or refute this?
Adrian
I believe – I’ll cite what I recall in a mo – that hot, dry conditions are very bad for DNA preservation, so it is unfortunately a possibility that any recovered remains may not contain recoverable or analysable DNA. That said, the byzantine shenanigans going on around what may or may not have been recovered is pretty disappointing. Can we not find an American connection for Dennis Copping, and get their MIA teams involved?:(
I canot now find a source, but I recall reading that hot, dry conditions are bad for DNA preservation as a result of an interest in a unit in Oxford set up to study ancient DNA (somewhere I would have loved to have worked). Their director then decamped to Sydney to set up a similar facility there, and the Oxford unit closed. This turned out to be a bad career move, as Australian conditions, as opposed to those of cold damp Europe, do not preserve DNA well.
I’m happy to be proved wrong (indeed, I hope that sooner, rather than later, I am, for the sake of Dennis Copping’s family and those who knew him), but unfortunately DNA analysis is dependent on a great many things, especially having DNA in a condition that allows analysis, and isn’t a magic bullet.
Adrian
A few more…
Obviously Shepherd Neame’s finest would fit well here 🙂
http://tinyurl.com/cb39t6h
Arkells Moonlight has a Lysander on the bottle, brewed in honour of Peter Arkell:
http://tinyurl.com/d7e8mov
Dent Brewery Kamikaze:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ralph-dot/5969564432/
Just wish I could remember what the one making donations to the RAF Benevolent Fund with the silhouette of a Blenheim on the label was…
Adrian
A few more…
Obviously Shepherd Neame’s finest would fit well here 🙂
http://tinyurl.com/cb39t6h
Arkells Moonlight has a Lysander on the bottle, brewed in honour of Peter Arkell:
http://tinyurl.com/d7e8mov
Dent Brewery Kamikaze:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ralph-dot/5969564432/
Just wish I could remember what the one making donations to the RAF Benevolent Fund with the silhouette of a Blenheim on the label was…
Adrian
At risk of disagreeing rather with Tony…
Having seen the programme I find it astonishing that anything, whether of man or aircraft, came out of that hole in 1940 to allow either identification or burial at the time. Andy’s book have made me aware that there are a great many people out there, many civilian contractors (eg the local undertaker who attended crashes in the Debden area), to whom many people owe a debt in that their efforts made an identification possible, and gave a man a name and a grave, in grim circumstances.
I don’t know who would have handled the case concerned – French, German or British – but we owe them respect, at the very least, for what they did for Paul Klipsch and his family.
Adrian
Thank you for posting this, Melvyn. Today – the 22nd – is the 95th anniversary of the 11th Battalion Essex Regiment being ordered to counter-attack into the teeth of the German offensive. They never reached their jumping-off point for enemy fire, and some 10% of the battalion made its way back and out of the line four days later*.
My grandfather was one of the others – wounded and captured, not to return to the UK until December 31st.
We will remember them.
Adrian
* details from memory, so may be slightly wrong, but the idea is right.
Yes, got my eye on that, Andy – but the aircraft I’m most interested in is two days into the second volume!
If anyone wants to do a Blitz Ghost treatment, drop me a line and I’ll whang you a better copy of the photo.
Adrian
As I was passing St John’s today (not difficult – the whole of one length of St Giles is taken up by St Johns!), I grabbed a quick photo. I’m pretty sure that this is the spot – just to the north of the main gate of the college, at the Martyr’s Memorial end – where the Junkers was displayed. Because the space on the raised platform in the foreground is quite limited, I was thinking that it must have been just the fuselage on display but looking at Andy’s photo in fact there is a propeller blade visible behind the great and the good of Oxford, and I reckon the photographer is stood on the other wing. I wonder if the whole thing was reassembled and squeezed in?
What say you?
Adrian

I suspect that flying very, very close to the ground, very slowly, is probably a very useful asset too. My family was startled on the way back from my Gran’s funeral by a Chinook suddenly appearing out of a fold in the countryside a few yards from the road and wokka-ing loudly over the top of the car.
If I tell you we were coming back from Cambridge crem, that should give you an idea of how close to the ground it must have been to hide.
Adrian
Great news! I think it must have been 1988 when I visited the museum last – about time for a re-visit methinks!
Adrian
Dunno about Coast, but I recall a series called, I think, Time Fliers, on archaeological sites from the air which showed the Hull decoys – very cleverly done to “replicate” a poorly blacked out dock area. They had an interview with Hajo Herman*, IIRC they also flew him over their replicated setup, and got a very good answer when they asked him how many Luftwaffe aircrew bombed decoys – “None! No-one would dare go back and tell Goering they’d bombed a decoy!”
Adrian
*almost certainly misspelt.
ETA – “Time Flyers”, with the spectacularly enthusiastic Mark Horton – broadcast 2003:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/90/a4061990.shtml
Melvin, look due south of Blewbury village – Woodway Farm is marked on the fourth grid line from the bottom of the page, near Oven Bottom*. Lower Chance is also marked – I did know where it was after all 😮
Thanks for posting those – very interesting.
Adrian
* You think Oven Bottom is funny? Churn Knob is not far away either!
Agreed, Clint! I used to know the area quite well, I lived in Compton, which is why I jumped at the mention of Roden Downs, but if he could just have parked his broken Junkers by a better landmark it’s be so much easier to place!
I ought to pay Geograph more attention – Google maps just gave me a Woodway road…
Adrian
Edit – Ross posted while I was typing! Not familiar with Lower Chance (at least not by name) but I remember Salt Box well. I’m happy to concur with you as I don’t recall seeing a picture of the old range hut (renewed circa 1973 – closed circa 1974!). Just a few hundred yards up the line (and very convenient for shipping it to Oxford, no doubt!)
Andy, not that I’m aware of – judging by the photo in this link (you’ll need to scroll the photobar – it’s about the fourth), the whole thing was displayed on a Queen Mary, and Oxfam didn’t exist then – the building seems to have been a hotel.
Clint – well spotted, but oh for some distinguishing features! My suspicion – note, just based on that tent, treat with much caution! – is that the Ju88 came down on Woodway Farm land rather than the farm itself (if you see what I mean), as Roden Downs are AFAIK to the south and downhill from there – however I may be getting confused with Roden Farm, which is in a fold of the Downs south of the Ridgeway, very much in Compton parish, and Roden House, which is slap bang in the middle of Compton itself.
If you head west of your marker, look for the OS note of a dismantled railway by Blewbury Downs. Eastish of the words is a tiny square building – that’s the range hut at the foot of the old range.
Any help, or am I muddying the waters?
Adrian