i think you might be making a small mistake here.
Why ?
Are you surprised that the fighter with the radar AN/APG-67 weigh?
F-20 – 11920 kg
T-50 Golden Egle – 13500 kg
F-CK-1 Ching-kuo – 12000 kg
IA 63 Pampa – 5000 kg
GM-1 is 5000 kg loaded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa
Good find !
what is the point in this comparison.
Less stick force needed…mass is 1/3 of the biggie.
No it is just wishful thinking, minus reality.
Okay..small aeroplane is not your thing RPR ( RAPTOR ! ) right…plane that cannot stand rain nor .22 calibre guns and looses combat to t-38…and costs 360 million usd a piece right that is the only real aeroplane…cause it also flies ( but stays 95% of the time in maintenance ) !
your later drawing comes to some resemblance to the Long EZ, but jet powered…
another thing: if you want maneuverability @4-500kph, you’ll need quite large control surfaces, and, even more, you’ll need them to have sufficient authority for take off and landing… once flying about 8-900kph, your stick will be like if it was stuck in concrete… your pilot would need Hulk’s arms to move it…
you NEED hydraulics to move your control surfaces… and there comes more weight… and eats a bit more of your tiny space available inside…
THE LITTLE KITE MOVES 800 KM/H..BUT IT IS 2.35 TIMES SMALLER THAN me-109 g-6 THAT ALSO WAS ABLE DIVE 800 KM/H…AND BARELY SOME DUDES WERE ABLE TO REGAIN CONTROL OF IT. Sorry caps locks on.
It can not carry enough fuel, you simply make up you own laws of physic apparently.
No it is 100% mathematics..selected engine ( PW535F-E ) on GM-1 burns 107 times less fuel on full thrust than for instance J-20 does on AB.
Other inventions in lay out help to reduce drag ( by size reduction too ). This has much better or similar power to weight ratio than Mig-25 or SR-71 .
Same in comparison with the VT-JET to ARES…smaller in right places to have better power to weight ratio.
If GM-1 goes into supercruise the figure is much better. I cannot predict it yet..the inlet and out design is not ready 100%.
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Look again at this size ratio..this VT-JET is almost 3 times smaller than ARES. Its hull is empty ( from engine to cockpit )…this has lotsa stuff stuffed in the hull..this has to since this is small.
which is pretty much the problems anyone who wanted to design a small modern fighter had.
Right and besides F-22 has no armor it has apparently very little ACM capabilities; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UXmDj3mFrXQ
What is the range of your radar? 😉
AN/APG-67 is only diplaying 80 nm..bet the effective range is 40 nm.
There are taylored AESAs in Korea with better range even 120 nm. I think Raytheons AESA ( SABR ? Grumman ? ) can be tailored too.
Since plane is stealthy it basically needs only visual..and enemy has no idea GM-1 is there. Scary **** or what ? It might be money that talks..with money one can get better radar.
your later drawing comes to some resemblance to the Long EZ, but jet powered…
however, you have several problems (just to name the few)
– your 1cm thick armour will weigh how much?
– you 0.5cm thick additional armour will weigh how much?
– unless you enemy uses nothing beyond .22 caliber, your aircraft will be shredded by anyone shooting at itbesides, the sheer weight of your “armor” will make it a flying brick, as far as maneuverability goes… well, if you manage to take it off the ground, that is…
any aircraft, big or small uses a “skin” that is waaay thinner and lighter than what you try to do…
there was one that wanted to use a thicker top: the X-32, but with a much more lifting profile… yet, they had trouble, especially to make it take off vertically.
another thing: if you want maneuverability @4-500kph, you’ll need quite large control surfaces, especially to have sufficient authority for take off and landing… once flying about 8-900kph, your stick will be like if it was stuck in concrete… your pilot would need Hulk’s arms to move it…
you NEED hydraulics to move your control surfaces… and there comes more weight… and eats a bit more of your tiny space available inside…
F-22 don’t even stand .22 caliber shots; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
The whole side of the plane is around 6 m2 I have around 9m2 that I can cover with 1 cm thick kevlar structure. It would also protect the engine..it is integrated structure…it is only 135 kilos + one fuse former behind radar ( 5 kilos ). The steel plate around the pilot about 120 kilos ( 5 mm steel ). These part would also form the forward fuselage pretty much ( except radar dome )…some overlapping parts migh increase it with 10-20 kilos. Canopy is more problematic If I wanna make it also bullet proof. A-10 has 4 cm thick plexi and Me-109 had even 9 cm thick windshield. F-18 has 17 mm thick plexi ( can take a bird stike at 540 kts ). Rear fuselage may have 6-8 mm thick kevlar and rocket holding spaces might need 3/4 inch thick kevlar or 5 mm steel casing outside and 1 sentimeter kevlar. This same structure also protects the outside of the missile bays and gives needed structural strenght with ribs. The whole wing is a big hollow plate with ribs and spars and attached to fuselage in spars and missile bays with bolts..so the wing comes of when needed. Some attachment points at front and rear. There has to be some access panels too that increase the weight a bit.
Hydraulics might eat some area in the wing for sure. 100 kg less fuel than anticipated. Structural model in 1/5 scale would be interesting. Landing gear design is ready already..and its attachments to fuse and its retraction mechanism. Could it work with compressed air like in R/C models..it would be the litest ?
price is not the issue, I am concerned that your designs are not what you hope they are.
Your interceptor drawing has it with 4 (AiM 120s) attached to external pylons. Can you tell me what the ration between the weight of an AiM-120 and your plane’s weight is ?
The sizes are such that merely the drag differential from firing one of the externally attached missiles between the wings will be enough to affect level flying. i.e. one wing will have to cope with the drag from 2 misslies, while the other with one. Not to mention separation vibration.
AMRAAM AIM-120 weighs 152 kilos a piece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM
I suggest to fire always 2 AMRAAMs in rapid succession to get sure kill ( not from from the same side ). Starting from outer pairs. I doubt it’ll really make it impossible to fly even if you shoot just one. Might need a bit trim adjustment.
AMRAAM is 3.3% from the full weight.
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A problem could occur if VT-AERO carried 2 x Izdeliye 279s.
They would…
I counted price 1.5-2 mio USD for VT-JET and 12-14 mio USD for GM-1.
The A-4 could carry 9,900 lb. payload over 500 miles.
How much can yours carry and how far?
Bigger kite 3800 lbs to 800 miles.
Smaller kite 1500 lbs to 500 miles.
Do you know how long ago a Gnat flew a combat mission? It was a 1959 design. That is more than 50 years ago.
A mechanically operated plane this day and age? Kinda hard to accept.look at it this way, if they could make small planes like that, they would have already.
You have no idea how many times I have heard this phrase since 2007 when I started to introduce smaller and tighter packed planes to save fuel ( mostly ).
A-4 was designed aerlier…and guess what still operational..recently went a MLU program through.
I don’t doubt it will have, but I think you grossly underestimate the effectiveness of weapons. Especially missiles !
And you say this a “redundant plane” , i get what you are trying to say, but why exactly is it? Because of the kevlar? How exactly is it combat safe besides the 1cm armour you intend on giving it (not that it matters)? You hardly have space for hydrolics in there to move the control surfaces, how are the redundant systems going to fit in? Cooling for the avionics. Redundant avionics, redundant pumps, pipes, wiring.
I am fond of the idea of a small fighter, but I think it simply is beyond current levels of technology.
The smaller plane is fully mechanic like Cessna 150.
How did they fit all that in a Folland Gnat thas has engine longer and inlets too ?
Also this is so simple that it does not need to stay 95% of its time to be maintained !
The latter has two engines..man pads have hard time locking since the engines are above the wing. Two engines..one can be lost..and going is still strong.
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Oh lordy, whole 5mm!
I have a hand gun that can punch threw 1//4 inch plate steel.
A little .50 cal. will turn your plane into Swiss Cheese.What is it going up against .22 rimfires?
I said this has fuselage skin 10 mm thick kevlar and in addition 5 mm steel plate….even if the shrapnel would penetrate the skin ( which it dont ) there is still 5 mm that alone is enough for the 7.62 mm rifle round.