topspeedNo, I am saying that neither can carry out a modern day mission objective. They are simply to small and fragile to do so, even if they were ever going to fly.
BS…this is to have 1 cm thick kevlar/carbon fuselage + 5 mm steeltube for the pilot. Unlike F-22 Raptor which cannot fly low in combat zone due to small arms fire ….this ( these ) can !
There has never been as redundant combat plane as this might be one day.
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How about now ? PAK-FA is about 60 times heavier than litely loaded VT-JET with 27 mm cannon and 4 AGMs or GBU-39s.
topspeedI have noticed you often compare your inception with obsolete planes from WWII or similar.
There is a reason why we still don’t use these types of sizes. You often quote top speed too. Top speed is not everything.
If you put an F-16 up against a Mitsubishi Zero, it is more than likely that the F-16 will never get the Zero in its sights. The zero on the other hand will probably turn into the F-16 many times. If we were to arm the Zero with IR missiles, the zero would have shot down the F-16, many times over. Why do we not use Zeros still then? Same applies for choppers, one of the hardest things to do for a fighter pilot, is to engage a helicopter. Why do we not use helicopters then for all our needs?
Because besides everything else, they do not have the frame to carry the equipment to carry out the missions required.
Modern planes for example, have self protection suites. Is there enough room on your plane to include one? How about double redundant systems to survive battle damage?
What would be the point of it reaching M2.2 ? Could it be meaningfully controllable at these speeds? Stable? Could it launch a missile at those speeds? would the impact shock from opening a bay door at these speeds throw the plane of balanced flight? what about the weight imbalance of having fired one of the four missiles in the bay which have significant weight ratio in comparison to the actual frame ?
Sir I have been developing 2 planes…other is interceptor and this latter is more like an ground attack aircraft.
Are you saying the latter might do the job of the both ?
Here both on my carrier.
VT-JET is possible to equip with 2 x 3.5 kN cruise missile turbofans….making it a 900 km/h bird.
Pilots shoulders are in the wings hollow cavity…that is how tight it is.
topspeedA few pics of really small fighter !
Here is the PBS JT-100 based previous design of mine ( also in my blog ).
Out put 164 times less ( 2.2 kN ) than in the biggest 5th gen fighter. ๐
Able to carry some 300 kg ordnance ( motor cannon and/or few missiles ).
topspeedThis is an awesome model !
topspeedI’ll take TopSpeed on my blog. He will learn to write in Russian, and we will discuss the ability of ultra-light fighter : ะะฝะณะตะป:
Horosho !
Can we discuss this AC carrier too ?
topspeedHello Paralay !
I already tought you may have faced another car crash.
I see a small 2-seater twin jet in your link.
Any specs for it ?
Looks pretty interesting actually..like a BD-10 but reasonably bigger in size.
Almost like my 5 years old fan + ramjet design;
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I added few aircraft on my list.
Cri-Cri jet 0.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri
Acrostar BD-5J 1.1 kN; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/q-branch/…nijet.php3
Gloster E.28/39 3.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
He-178 4.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Temco TT Pinto 4.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto
SAAB 210 4.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_210
Eclipse 400 4.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..0 to 5 kN planes
He-162 7.85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162 ( e-seat )
Fouga Magister 7.84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
Eclipse500 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
Handley Page HP.115 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_HP.115
Diamond D-Jet 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_D-Jet
Yak-15 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
T-37 9.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
MS.760 9.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_MS-760
PZL TS-11 Iskra 9.81 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra ( 2 e-seats )
Soko G-2 Galeb 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2_Galeb
Aermacchi MB-326 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_MB-326 ( 2 e-seats )
He-280 11.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
Citation Mustang 13 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang
XF-85 Goblin 13.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin
ARES 13.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES ( E-seat )
Bird of Prey 14.2 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey
DH.100 Vampire 14.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
SAAB 105 15 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_105
FMA IA 63 PAMPA 15.57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa
CAEA C-101 15.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-101
LA-15 15.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-15
Avro 707 16 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_707
Hongdu JL-8 16.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
DH.108 Swallow 16.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108 ( claim of supersonic dive )
Aero L-29 Delfin 17.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
Me-262; 17,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262 ( claimed to have been supersonic in dive by Hans Motke )
Arado 234 B-2 17.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
P-59 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
FJ-1 Fury 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-1_Fury
IAR-99 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_99
Cessna Citation I 19.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_I
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………5 to 20 kN planes
Folland Gnat 20.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat ( supersonic in dive; Lasse Pekuri in 1958 )
Helwan HA-300 21.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300 ( MACH 2.1 with 48 kN using AB designed by Willy Messerschmitt )
Supermarine Attacker 22 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
BAE_Jet_Provost 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
Fiat G.91 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
Boulton _Paul_P.111 22.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_P.111
Hawker Sea Hawk 23.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk
Canadair CT-114 Tutor 23.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor
P-80 24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-…oting_Star
LearJet24 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_24
F-86 26.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
Alpha Jet 26.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet
F9F Panther 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F9F_Panther
Mig-15 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
FJ-2 Fury 26.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-2/-3_Fury
SAAB-27 Tunnan 27.5 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
BAE HAWK 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
F2H Banshee 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F2H_Banshee
PZL I-22 Iryda 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_I-22_Iryda
Dassault Mystere 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Myst%C3%A8re
LearJet45 31 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_45
Gloster Meteor 31,2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
AIDC AT-3 31.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_AT-3
Supermarine Swift 31.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Swift
Kawasaki T-4 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_T-4
White Knight 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…ite_Knight
F-84 32.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…nderstreak
PZL-Mielec Lim-5 33.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-Mielec_Lim-6
J-5 33.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-5
Mig-17 33.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17
T-38 Talon 34 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon
FJ-3 Fury 34.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-2/-3_Fury
XB-43 Jetmaster 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-43_Jetmaster
A4D Skyhawk 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
SNECMA Coleoptere 37 kN; http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/snecma_coleoptere.php
F-9 Cougar 38 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar
A4F Skyhawk 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
LearJet_60 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_60
Dassault Super Mystere 44.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Su…st%C3%A8re
F-5 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
IAR-93 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-93
A.W.52 44.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_A.W.52
Fairey Delta 44.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Delta
Hawker Hunter 45.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter
PZL-230 Scorpion 45.6 kN; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w…zl-230.htm
Grumman F-11 Tiger 46.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger
Super Enterdard 49.5 kN; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/super_etendard.pl
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………20 to 50 kN planes
YAK-130 50 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
Il-28 53 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
F7U Cutlass 54 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F7U_Cutlass
M-346 57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
Bombardier_300 60.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300
Mirage III 60.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Bristol 188 62 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
YAK-38 64 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38
F-7 64.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II
Chengdu J-7 64.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
Sepecat Jaguar 65 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar
SAAB-32 Lansen 65.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen
Guizhou JL-9 66.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
Sรผdaviation Vautour 68.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Mitsubishi F-1 71.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-1
XB-51 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_XB-51
Mig-21 69,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
F-104 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
F-102 Delta_Dagger 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
F4D Skyray 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
F-100 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…uper_Sabre
Mirage F1 70.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_F1
Nanchang Q-5 73.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
Shenyang J-6/F6 73.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
Kfir 79.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
J-35 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
TA-50 Golden Eagle 78.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
Jas J-39 Gripen 80 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
F-8 Crusader 80.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
A-10 80.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II
A-6 Intruder 82.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
F-CK-1 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo
Hongdu L-15 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
JF-17 84.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
HAL Tejas 85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas
Dassault F7X 85.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_7X
B-66 Destroyer 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_B-66_Destroyer
SU-9 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-9
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Su-7 94.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-7
Mirage 2000 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
Martin RB-57D Canberra 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57D_Canberra
SU-11 96 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-11
Backburn Buccaneer 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer
Avro Vulcan 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan
B-45 Tornado 100 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_B-45_Tornado
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..50 to 100 kN planes
A8-Harrier II 105 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV-8B_Harrier_II
DC-9 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9
F-105 Thunderchief 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…underchief
F-106 Delta_Dart 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart
SU-17 109.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17
A-3 Skywarrior 110.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A3D_Skywarrior
MIG-27 112.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-27
J-37 Viggen 121 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
White Knight Two 122.76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…Knight_Two
BAE 146 ( AVRO RJ ) 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146
YAK-28 Brever 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
Super Caravelle 124.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravelle
Mitsubishi F-2 125 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
MIG-23 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
F-16 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…ing_Falcon
J-10 130 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
J-8 137.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8
Mirage IV 141 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IV
English Electric Lightning 142,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………100 to 150 kN planes
F-103 150.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-103
Gulfstream_650 150.4 kN; http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g650/…ations.htm
F-101 Voodoo 150.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-101_Voodoo
Dassault Rafale 151.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
A-5 Vigilante 152 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…_Vigilante
Panavia Tornado 153.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
Sukhoi_Superjet_100 156 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
F117 Night Hawk 157.4 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117A_Nighthawk
F-18 158 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…-18_Hornet
F-4 Phantom II 158.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…Phantom_II
F111 159.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
Mig-29 162.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29
MD-82 164 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80
Eurofighter Typhoon 178 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
Xian JH-7 182.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Tupolev Tu-16 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
Mirage 4000 190 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
JSF F-35 191 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…ghtning_II
Boeing B-47 Strato Jet 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
Airbus 318-100 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
F/F-18 Super Hornet 195.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-…per_Hornet
LA-250 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-250
Myasishchev M-55 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
TU-128 198 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….150 to 200 kN planes
Mig-25 200 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-2
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow 209 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
SU-24 219.6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24
F-15 220 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…F-15_Eagle
F-111 224 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
YAK-141 235,4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141
SU-30 245.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
SU-27 245,6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhoi_Su-27
F-14 247.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
SU-33 251 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33
J-11 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#J-11
SU-34 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
Shenyang J-15 270 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
TSR-2 273.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2
B-58 Hustler 277.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler
SU-47 284.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47
A-12 288 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12
SU-37 290 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37
DC-8 298.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….200 to 300 kN planes
SR-71 302 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Convair YB-60 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60
Mig-31 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
B-2 308 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gr…B-2_Spirit
YF-23 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
F-22 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…-22_Raptor
PAKFA 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
TU22 324 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Concorde 338 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
MIG-39 ( Project 1.44 ) 354 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
J-20 Chengdu 360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Myasishchev M-4 372.8 kN; http://www.airvectors.net/avbison.html
Y20 412 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-20
TU-22M 490.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
DC-10 534 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10
B-1 547.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer
B-52 608 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Sukhoi T-4 628 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 640 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
C-5 Galaxy 760 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
XB-70 Valkyrie 768 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…0_Valkyrie
Boeing_747 836 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747
TU-160 980 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160
Airbus A380 1360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380
An 225 1377 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
topspeedCold war era small fighter and LA-250 with 7th gen fighter !
Here some comparison again !
Here are now LA-15 ( which lost the race to Mig-15 ) and F-86 and notorious “Sabre Slayer” Folland Gnat with GM-1.
Hopefully the size factor explains why seemingly “underpowered” Gnat ( 20.9 kN ) was able to beat/win Orenda powered ( 29.8 kN ) most powerful F-86.
Some heated conversation occurred at the secretprojects site about this project. I was under some serious bullying by the member there that seem to dwell here as well.
Hopefully this more environmentally friendly fighter won’t have to get into it again ( it disturbs the moderators and friends as well ).
I know having an AN/APG-67 radar and 2 AAMs concealed in fighter this size is hard to swallow for some ( and 27 mm cannon with lotsa ammos ). ๐
The LA-250 was an interceptor too..but apparently also considered as tactical bomber by the looks of the missiles it was intented to carry.
topspeedHere is more clear for the structure Paralay !
Also a 70s design of smaller size “in action”….there could be some optimism buried by the artist in it !
2 hour range at 1200 km/h..is pretty good ?
topspeedYou are speaking of items as if they are fact when all they are is something you are hoping for in your dreams;
They are as real as Reagan’s Star Wars except in your dream world.
If you sere speakingof these as unknowns maybes, would be one thing, but you speak as if it is already done.
You do not know that is exists.
You do not know what is being funded.
Stop pretending you do.
All you have is intel of which the chance it is real is at best fifty-fifty.
I don’t care if that is made by the Nute Gunray himself in the Clone Wars but to me it looks like a supercruise capable small B-2 like tactical bomber.
Obviously I am wrong; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Bomber
topspeedI take it these miniture aircraft are to flown by Munchkins as no normal size human would fit.
The ramp launched 104s and 100s did not use Rato or Jato as they are some times called bottles.
They used a special system that was never put into production.
Rato bottles are now all gone and no more are being produce.
The last were used to demonstrate how they were used for take off assistance on either the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels C-130. The are all gone now.Many years ago, Walt Arfons tried to use them in cluster to set a land speed record. They did not produce enough thrust to even get the car up to 500 mph so how a Rato bottle would make your aircraft supersonic would me a rewriting of basic physics, which on paper of come into absolute conflict with the forces of the natural world.
http://www.samuelhawley.com/lsrphotoswingfoot1.html
http://www.gregwapling.com/hotrod/land-speed-racing-history/land-speed-racing-walt-arfons.html
Went 580+ mph ( even 605 mph ); http://www.americanjetcars.com/stories/waltarfon1.htm with them rockets !
Art and Walt were pioneers; http://www.caranddriver.com/features/rocket-men
topspeedRegarding the ‘breadth’ of the changes in Sweden, I recall this interesting article in Foreign Policy magazine, published back during the Stieg Larsson craze. Excerpts:
Would be interested in commentary from Swedish peoples here.
Does this in anyway correlate with the topic ?
topspeedPower elements of the wing break off, you can not do!
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Yez we can !
Magic time !
It is just shy of 29 ft in length ( like Lockheed, Boeing and Northrop fighters from the 1970ies ).
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topspeedBut the fact that the SWaF has detoriated to such a grade that there is no air policing available 24/7 is shocking.
PS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPsqsH8I4M – The russians have a good sense of humour. ๐
Maybe that was the whole point..they knew the SU-27s and TU-22s were going to be there and instead of gaining flying hours with J-39s they wanted to go to IKEA for shopping and a burger and a Pripps beer :very_drunk: in nearby Coop or similar and let the politicians do the defence analysis.
Finland map on that video was a shield for Sweden had only one town besides Helsinki..it was Vaasa..that was named after the Wasa King. It was still fully swedish speaking up till 50ies but no longer..there are few smaller towns in Finland that are still swedish speaking..luckily so there is very good atmosphere ( try America Street in Jacobstads London for ginger bread if you are there in the region ).
topspeedI wonder if Special Branch monitors this site to gather info on potential enemies within? There seem to be an awful lot of militarists here who are advocating war.
I am slightly of the same opinion…this site might arouse some bad blood in some circles we are not used to and whom are not used to…to the western media and open internet.
I think stuff like I have reading here like ..when ( and as if ) we bomb Beijing what are odds and will USA bomb Russia etc are pretty irresponsible scenarios to bring here.
Also questions like will Finland update to AESA etc are almost national secrets to bring here ( is it ? ). I have no idea how folks here respond to my fighter idea of small compact AC that has 99% chance it will never see the daylight ? I am doing it because I think the modern fighters ought to be smaller to respond the fact that materials are lighter and new inventions make planes lighter and engines are lighter ( not all ) and furthermore oil resources are getting scarce ( and several armies have to do serious cuts to keep operating just a handful of jets ).
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topspeedFinnish Air Force makes identification flights quite often over Gulf of Finland. Reasons for that kind of flight are usual, unknown aircraft, possible violation of airspace or something strange like multiple targets suddenly on radar screen. I have seen this once while visiting Finnish area control center: Regular russian military flight from Kaliningrad to St Petersburg, known as cabbage train, flying its normal route in international airspace but suddenly for some reason there were multiple transporder replys. About the same minute ACC got call from airforce that they’ll go an identify. F18, 600KT GS and 100NM, not so long time to fly.. Multiple targets was most likely radar error and that happens more often than we know.
Reminds me of the scene in HOT SHOTS…multiple blimbs at radar ( at 1:04:45 ); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmBJONo5_E
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