That is a MIG-19 copy right ?
This looks lot cooler;

Weserflug P.1003/1

Nazis had a tilt rotor developement too.
But since you asked;
Your lack of understanding is showing yet again :rolleyes:
Saudi’s hijacked and crashed the planes on September the 11th 2001, US and others invaded first Afghanistan (which was justified as the training base of the attackers) and 2 years later Iraq which was at the time very much opposed to the ideals of the attackers.
Go figure.
Why was Saudi Arabia not treated in the same fashion as Afghanistan and Iraq?
Who has contacts with the Saudi’s?
Who has benefited from a decade plus of war?
Have you ever stopped to consider these questions? 😮
Wasn’t there a group of religious sect in south america that all committed a suicide..remember ?( Here is one; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven’s_Gate_(religious_group) ) and an other; http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/November/On-This-Day–Hundreds-of-Cult-Members-Commit-Suicide-in-Jonestown.html
How does this act desides being far more cruel actually differ from it..bunch of brainwashed fanatics from well to do country ( Saudis ) go heyward.
War benefits many people and unites nations beyond belief to commit fearless counter attacks.
I figure when all terror states are now free there should be very peacefull for a change. Unless the environmental issues go overboard and comes a flood or something.
There might also be a chance to rebuild etc. I think Irak must be in stone age and Afganistan right now…or correct me if I am wrong.
Then there is the old phrase…one country freedom fighter is another countrys terrorist. But since Saudis are free ( or are they ? ) then this may not apply does it ?
SIZE is everything ?
Here is a small comparison with WW II concept and VR…along with Me-109 G-14 by Robert Lusser/Willy Messerschmitt.
VL Puuska was VALMETs answer to demand from AF…old planes started be outa order/punch with new russian and american fighters on the front and old Me 109 G-2 were wearing out. Professor Ylinens clever idea was to make a minimal sized interceptor based on Me-109 spare engines to obtain greater speed. Design was to have just single 20/30 mm cannon on it ( all smaller machine guns were stripped off ). It would have been 10% smaller than a YAK-3 ( thus 12 % smaller than Me-109 G-14 ).
After all it was the YAK-3 that really outperformed Me-109.
Pilots and AF instead chose the slower Pyörremyrsky to be developed. It was too revolutional to go into 720 km/h moving plane in 1943 ( they wanted to dogfight or they figured it gives nothing over the Me-109 G-2 ). Retractable ( variable position ) radiator was key feature in it !
Hello Topspeed,
The light, small, fast stealth interceptor idea is great but i have a couple of pointers.
1: Isnt the AN/APG-67 outdated/obselent even? It is made from 80’s technology and its small dish means that it doesnt have any good range at all (148 kilometers max range). The problems will only grow worse with the advent of Russian and Chinese 5th gen fighters which have all a good focus on combatting X-band radar signals which in turn means that the AN/APG-67 can only detect them at a range that is too close for comfort.
Continuing on this is the fact that Russian and Chinese 5th Gen radars are much, much more newer/more advanced and in the case of the Su-T50, it has L-band AESA’s which can transmit signals at full power to alert the T50 pilot in which direction a stealthy opponent is roughly positioned at and with a full powered nose mounted AESA radar sweep in those coordinates, it means that the T50 can detect at the same time or even earlier then the Velociraptor can the T50 just due to the better tech the T50 has at its disposal.
And that brings me to my next point:
2: No OLS? Do you have a deathwish? A T50 with its OLS can passively detect non afterburning targets in a head-on engagement at ranges of ~100 kilometers (Assuming the OLS-50 is ~11% better then the OLS-35M). With that, the T50 can just turn off the N036/N050 nose mounted AESA and do the above mentioned L-band detection and use the rough direction/source to focus the OLS to zoom in on the rough area of suspected stealth aircraft and find the Velociraptor that way.
All it would then take is to arm the R-77M1’s and prepare a short burst of the N050/N036 to acquire a lock and fire the missiles earlier then the Raptor can detect the T50. With the Velociraptor pilot busy avoiding the R-77M1’s, the T50 pilot closes in and uses the OLS to fire R-74M’s to kill the Velociraptor, denying the Velo pilot a chance for a dogfight.
3: You are seriously comparing an interceptor to multirole aircraft like the T50, F-35, J20 and J-31? Apples and Oranges.
Hi XTX-Horus !
Great questions…thanks.
1. AN/APG-67 is there to see that a necessary radar fits in…just like e-seat and 4 AAMs and cannon ( small AESA ala Rafale will do ).
The whole point here is that this VR is 1/5 of the size of T-50, SU-27 etc. This means that its detectable volume is just 1/5^2=1/25…so and it is stealth design as well..it reflects radar waves and absorbs the rest. It leaves no IR signature when cruising since it is slow and engine sorta concealed from above.
So no matter how good you radar is it cannot see VR..especially as its frontal area is just 1/7 => 1/50 in relative radar signature size.
2. No OLS this can come so near big 5th gen fighter or any other similar design that they never realized it was ever there. Using the cruise engine this can loiter hours and after detecting a foe this can sneak behind and use the rockets to close in the foe at 300 m/s climb rate or mach 2.5 in level flight for really short period…and it is over quickly..also this plane can be deploeyed in large numbers that carrying just 4 AAMs isn’t really a problem.
3. No not really..this is a 7th generation fighter. So you are right..we are talking about bitter citron with old melons.
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PS: This is pretty much my own design..we did go this through in defence site but really this is not backed up by any instance. General concern was however about the developement where for instance Finland can only have a handful of newest fighters in the future. Maybe this is a “homebuilt” back up if something goes horrifyingly wrong in the next megabillion €/$/£ fighter investment.
I have no idea…is the OBOGS system somewhat similar to these ?
update
I realised that this must be world smallest fighter aircraft ever since this is actually around 4% smaller than a Folland Gnat.
This also about 70% of a famous russian fighter Yakovlev Yak-3.
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Edit the cruise consumption on PW617F-E is only 280 kilos 340 liters ( it is thus 300 times more less fuel burning than J-20 on full AB…pretty good eh ? ).
Here is how a Velociraptor really supposed to have looked like !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hawker_Hurricane_operators
Really?!
Really…
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Mainstay of our bombers were Bristol Blenheims. Later Ju-88s.

There is still one squadron leader alive who flew the Blenheims.
Might wanna read about the dude who donated the first swastika enblem Thulin monoplane to FAF ( the swastika was their family enblem as well or heraldy what ever ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen
I really had no idea he was a committed nazi.
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The von Rosen swastika
Eric von Rosen had been using a swastika as a personal owner’s mark. He originally saw the symbol on runestones in Gotland, while at school. Knowing that the symbol signified good luck for the Vikings, he utilized the symbol and had it carved into all his luggage when going on an expedition to South America in 1901. Being a friend of Finland, he gave the newly-independent state an aircraft, which signified the beginning of the Finnish Air Force. The aircraft, a license manufactured Morane-Saulnier MS Parasol/Thulin D, was marked with his badge, a blue swastika on a white background. The Finnish Air Force adopted this as their national insignia.[1]
The Japanese, after the extremely small agile flaming napalm tank Zero, tried this with the kamikaze.
Did not work too well, or does yours, if the pilot is still alive, after a mission, eject the pilot?
I try to decrypt this…are you saying that napalm was used in Zeros in kamikaze attacks in 1945…and they bursted into flames ?
Why would kamikaze pilots need e-seats..I think you are mixing up things or living in a VCR/DVD alternate reality.
I am talking about small radar and e-seat fitted interceptor that flies mostly subsonic but has capability to meet the recce features that for instance FAF needs.
This is to go up to see when a Russian MIG-31 comes over our borders or a U-2 spyplane flies in our atmosphere. Did you know that a fierce battle was fought in Finnish air space between a B-47 Stratojet and three Mig -17s after WW II ? People witnessed and heard this and collected cannon shells on the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
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On 8 May 1954, after a top secret reconnaissance mission in the Kola Peninsula, a 4th Air Division 91 Strategic Reconnaissance Wing RB-47E reconnaissance aircraft, with Hal Austin at the controls, flew west from the Soviet Union. The RB-47E was flying at high altitude, out of reach of MiG-15s, but unknown to USAF intelligence some MiG-17s had been stationed in the area that were able to intercept the intruder. The RB-47E was chased by three Soviet MiG-17 fighters attempting to destroy the aircraft with their guns over Soviet and Finnish airspace. Although sustaining damage, the RB-47E managed to escape over Sweden back to its home base at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire. Its top speed and combat radius superiority to the Soviet fighter jets were the deciding factors. The mission marked the first time a jet aircraft equipped with modern photography equipment was used for American military reconnaissance. The incident was kept secret by all parties
Topspeed,… I think your motives are top notch ! I think some of your technical ideas are not quite there, but don’t give up. Where is the landing gear?
My own view is that just about everything about modern aviation projects, is too big. Physical size, projected lifetimes, budgets, anticipated threats and capabilities, … it goes on. We end up with late delivery of obsolete, very expensive…. ‘equipment’.
Some of the best multi role and attack aircraft started as lightweight, small , pure fighter concepts.
Thanks Speedy for the nice and kind words !
You must remember that many defence industries are after all just money making business ( they are big corporates that have to make profit )…very few are considering the fact that nations using them jets go bankrupt. Just think about a J-20..if it uses just 100 hr of afterburner ( one specimen ) it burns as much gas as a large biofuel plant produces in a year nearly 10 000 000 liters..this is madness really ! For one hour of AB time on J-20 or PAKFA this tiny invisible fighter will fly 129 hours nearly supersonic speed ( and faster than them when rockets ignited ).
Also is noteworthy that a jet powered aeroplane carrying a man in minimalist design uses 783 times less power to fly at max power. Rocket jets like Bell X-1E used 26 kN force to fly to 27 km at mach 2.25 speed…14 times less than the biggest 5th gen. fighters.
Here is the LG extented.
it’s a matter of angles between surfaces (among other things)… a B-2 is huge compared to the raptor, yet its RCS is even smaller… and can remain so for a wider range of wavelenghts
Yes I bet the large rudders in F-22 will be seen…B-2 don’t have’em..and is coated with expensive material.
Finnish pilots preferred the Hurricane, the French Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 and even the Brewster Buffalo to the G.50…
I never heard this..it was miserable to maintain..and open cockpit..but rugged the G.50.
That is correct…Kaario’s idea came to him 1932 and build one in 1935.