I hope you didn’t suggest to AgustaWestland that scale modellers somehow ‘deserve’ CAD from them! :eek::eek:

Seriously, though, what is it you are wanting to do? 3-views can’t really be ‘transferred’ to CAD, though they can be scanned and presented as such within a CAD package by something like ‘BacktoCAD’ (I think that’s what it’s called). However, that won’t help with the all important shape.

A 3-view is an orthographic projection into three 2-dimensional images. If you are after 3 dimensional data you need at the very least some sectional profiles, and then it is a CAD operator’s job to translate that into a model of a 3d body. Even if the profile data exists, I doubt Westland will do this work for you. And what will you end up with? A CAD file alone is no more use to modellers (unless you mean 3D printer operators) than the series of profiles that it was created from.

I would instead ask whether you can have access to what they have on paper, and if it is of any use to the modelling community ask Westland whether you can pass the information on as copies. I have no comment on how willing they might be to do any of this!! You are relying on the goodwill of a company, and while they are very friendly and approachable I would be very careful about asking too much – and certainly wouldn’t go in telling them you ‘deserve’ anything, as that goodwill might dry up (it would if it was me)..

I think you completely misunderstood me. I would do the work to convert the data into CAD form from the factory provided prints. Certainly if the factory 3-views are readable as such the work is futile.

I mentioned no use of nor scale ac or on an electric high flier in my request to them. I only displayed my concern about the flood and possible total loss of the ac data if the files are not spread at this stage.

I hope this clears the subject.

No, I mean that they will be worried about the possibility of getting sued and the adverse publicity they will get if the aircraft crashes into an orphanage, after first ploughing through an old peoples’ home and a convent. The chances of any aerospace company releasing drawings for such a project are somewhere around zero.

I can already read the headlines !

“Excentric supertramp Ferdinand Kugelschreiber built a 1 lbs/sq ft wingloading aerial vehicule ( based loosely on idea of perpetual motion ) and crashed it into an orphanage bending the arms of the spectacles of the head principal Archibald MacIntosh II !”

Further reading might state; Ferdinand is OK, but the leading edge of the wing of the aerodyne suffered a minor crack when devastating the spectacles of principal Archibald ! :applause:

Here you go. If you really need to know, any original data and drawings will be at:
Agusta Westland Archive
Westland Works
Lysander Road
Yeovil
England
BA20 2YB

[email]emily.weeks@agustawestland.com[/email]

Emily is very helpful, but also really busy right now with the 100th anniversary celebrations, so don’t worry if it takes a while to hear..

Thank you very much !

I would be very interesting to see the original drawings.

In order to make any kinda competetive scale model those exact drawing copies are a must.

One project could be a hyper light solar/ accu powered research aircraft ( no guns ) with new advanced composites ( weighing just few hundres kilos ).

It would get free solar energy with modern panels at around 18 hp worth. Solar Impulse I cruised at 15 km at just 7 kW at nights and weighed 2 metric tons.

Wonder if the Yeovil citizens would be interested of that kinda project ?

UK has also very advanced solar panel know how at company called QinetiQ ( wonder if they were interested as well ? ) .

I am still a bit confused…this is still saying the Welkin was as heavy as Mossie; http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/west_welkin.php

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Edit: Also the AVIASTAR seems to have the wing area correct ( around 43 m2 ).

Aviastar 3-view gives a bit too small wing area ( 42 m2 ) and czech model 3-views a tad too big wing area ( 44 m2 ) when wing right lenght.

This confirms the AVIASTAR data; http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/welkin/welkin_en.htm

Wikipedia 3-view yields only 41 m2 wing area.

Wing area is 42.73 m2.

Here is an interesting white stripe/band in the fuselage ?!

http://www.avionslegendaires.net/avion-militaire/westland-welkin/

New weight figures; http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=523

Also lower weight figure; http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Westland_Welkin

Have to differ with you there. The Spruce Goose wasnot abandoned a year before completion. It actually made one flight.
Tail area is more a requirement dictated by the lever arm it has too work with and the sail area presented by the fuselage profile. Long skinny fuselage requirnig less tail area than short stubby one.

Yes Mike longer fuselage is also a part of the tail volume equation as is the span and wing area and tailplane area.

I have to differ from your opinion about the HK-1 readyness. In an interview made in 1979 three engineers of the project were asked about the plane and it was very clear that Howard took the plane to the air eventhough the hydraulic system was to be replaced within a year with a more adequate system. It did fly but possibly had not been intentional.

Feb 26th 1979 Tom Snyder show !

http://www.tv.com/shows/the-tomorrow-show-1973/season-6/

Ed Lund, Dave Grant and Ray Hooper ( The Tomorrow Show ).

I served on 39sqdn in 1952-4with the Mosquito NF36, paddle blades props and all. We were required to do practice single engine landings and overshoots, including at night. Nobody bent one but I know it was very easy to do. When flying on one engine the first requirement was to check safety speed, i.e. The speed at which the pilot could still hold the rudder pedal load and keep straight and level. This speed was normally about 137 knots with a fair amount of power to the live engine.
The minimum height to commence overshoot was 300ft by day and 800 by night. This was to enable the aircraft to be dived to get up to a speed to enable it to climb, the undercart had to be retracted as soon as poss as it created so much drag that acceleration was minimal.
All good clean fun

Hello Peter Verney !

Very interesting reading. Thank you for sharing this.

NF XV and others; http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?34796-D-H-98-Mosquito-Photo-s-Please-Just-Because-I-love-looking-at-them

BTW: Here is a finnish Mosquito from wartime ( a project with DB 605 engines ); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWiBBlS6o5o