Actually there is a lot of merit to this idea and it has been considered extensively at times. You shouldn’t dismiss it outright as such.
I’m sure the allied generals dismissed the idea of concentrated tank formations out of hand. the Germans didn’t, the rest is history
I believe a few years ago the USAF also said they might be interested in an F-16 UCAV to be used as mules for the stealth planes. The USAF has hundreds of retired F-16Cs and as the F-16 progressively gets retired, there won’t be not enough pilots for them if they are reactivated. The QF-16 could maybe be the basis for such a variant.
seems the Chinese have a similar idea
in a BVR air battle over the straight of Taiwan this would be formidable weapon, like a cheap MALD, it would give the Chinese a screen to hide behind, something to deplete the US’s and Taiwan’s missile reserves. certainly the US fighters train to engage at maximum range, but as soon as they run out of missiles they’ll have to fall back or start dogfighting with more numerous and manouverable Chinese fighters. it reminds of the battle of Kursk, where superior German tanks lost to numbers at short range
a QF-16 could balance such a situation, it can fly at the front, carry a large number of missiles to engage at maximum range, while flying extreme manoeuvres to dodge incoming attacks, depleting the opposing missile reserves. then it could fly back to re-arm, or fly on and act as a forward observer
unfortunally no company has ever built anything close to a dogfighting/missile platform UCAV, so we have no real example of how effective this would be
found this interesting article on Russian tactics in the matter
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1985/jan-feb/nelson.html
Iraqi Air Force got CH-4B UAV from China

CH-4BA photograph has surfaced online which purportedly shows a CH-4B unmanned combat aerial vehicle stationed at an Iraqi Air Force base, according to a March 17 report by Moscow-based think tank Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies cited by China’s Global Times.
This is the first known instance of the drone, developed by Beijing-based China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), being exported, according to the paper.
The CH-4 series of drones, the design for which was heavily copied from the US MQ-1 Reaper developed by General Atomics, entered service with the PLA Air Force in 2013.
The CH-4 has a wingspan of 18 m and a maximum takeoff weight of 1350 kilograms. Two variants of the drone have emerged, the CH-4A surveillance drone and the combination surveillance and attack CH-4B. The CH-4A can fly for a maximum of 30 hours or 5,000 km, although another estimate put it as high as 40 hours. It can cruise at altitudes of between 5,000-7,000 m at a speed of 150-180 km per hour. The drone can fly within a 250 km radius of its operator, but with a satellite link this can be increased to 2,000 km.
The CH-4B can carry six weapons weighing up to a maximum of 250-350 kg, according to different estimates, and it is equipped to carry CASC’s 45 kg AR-1 laser-guided anti-tank missile, which can be fired from an altitude of 5,000 m, and several small satellite-guided aerial bombs, weighing 100 kg. With a full weapons payload it can fly for a maximum of 14 hours.
The CH-4 shares an engine with its predecessor the CH-3/3A drone, but an improvement to the plane’s aerodynamics, has reduced petrol consumption by 15% and the cruise-lift-drag ratio is said to be 1, allowing the drone to carry more and fly for longer.
The drone is equipped with two surveillance systems, a four-in-one photoelectric platform under the plane and a synthetic aperture radar, carried simultaneously.
The drone has some stealth capability too, as 80% of its surface is made with synthetic materials, which makes it harder for radar to detect. Its piston engine is also relatively quiet.
It appears from the plane’s structure that Iraq has received the CH-4B, rather than the CH-4A.
In 2014 there was also a report stating that a CH-4 craft was undergoing tests in Algeria. The CH-4 drone is said to be more competitive than the CAIG Wing Loong, which has already been exported to several countries, including Saudi Arabia. The drone system will likely cost less than an advanced main battle tank and will be affordable for emerging and developing countries, according to the Hong Kong’s Wen Wei Po.
DARPA’s Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) program aimed to make optionally manned A-10’s controllable by soldiers in the field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_Close_Air_Support
the idea of making it optionally manned has since been dropped, but the program has survived as a way for soldiers to use modern technology to guide in air strikes, rather than use just voice radio and maps as it has been since WWII. first live fire tests are said to take place this month, operational fielding as soon as May
even if it’s not optionally manned, it still brings the idea of unmanned legacy aircraft and JTACs controlling UCAVs a step closer

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC GUYS
if it doesn’t involve avaition, don’t write it
the concept of a Donetsk air force is certainly interesting, I was wondering when that would come into play
if Russia is supporting the rebels, it wouldn’t be hard for them to transfer some junked Su-25s. if anyone asks, the rebels “found” them
the question is would it be worth the rebels’ effort (in fuel and man hours alone), as these aircraft are old and Kiev forces probably have some form of Soviet era air defences defending their forward artillery positions, which should be good enough to take out a handful of birds
also with NATO surveilance Kiev forces would be warned of any air attack long in advance
speaking of which, does NATO still have AWACS in the area?
I found this article talking of AWACS operating over Poland
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/nato-surveilliance-russia-vladimir-putin-17652946
There is no one other than you that thinks that the USN can replace the F-35C with the UCLASS therefore the UCLASS is absolutely no threat to the F-35 acquisition program given that they need a minimum number of new fighters to replace the outgoing F/A-18’s by a certain point in time.
there are plenty of people who believe this, many high ranking within the USN, who’ve had the F-35 forced upon them and know it will not satisfy their needs
this bureaucratic battle between the services has been going on for ages, and many a good idea and more Dollars have been wasted because of it. as with its predecessors, the F-35 is here to promise all and deliver little, at much inflated cost and in much lower numbers (F-111, F-22, F-35, B-2… to name but a few recent examples)
the UCLASS will have the potential to fly out, detect and kill stuff, and as such it is a direct threat to the F-35’s budgets. for most realistic missions you don’t need the F-35, and you don’t want the F-35, when you’ll be able to field multiple long range expendable UCLASS’s with the latest plug-in sensors that were not designed 20 years before
the forces at play here know this, which is why the USN is struggling to get requirements for the UCLASS right. the F-35s defenders want to keep it small, so it can’t carry as much weapons as the F-35 (a moot point in today’s world of miniature weapons) or make it too big and complicated so it’ll fail (I’m guessing that’s what the USN did to the F-35)
so the USN has to balance off actual capability with perceived capability, in an effort to keep the program alive and able to replace the F-35 when and if needed, without being perceived to do so
interesting question
I always figured the “rebels” (cough Russian military let’s be serious here cough) are using varying degrees of advanced SAM systems
the UKAF lost a fair amount of aircraft in the opening stages, I guess they gave up
especially close to the Russian border, they’ll see them coming from a distance (and can perfectly well tell a high flying civilian airliner from a low flying combat aircraft)
mind you, with all the Western surveilance that’s probably focussed on the area they probably track all these convoys
scuds might have been a good solution, ironically the US helped Ukraine scrap its Scuds back in 2011
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2011/04/160711.htm
even so, you never know that convoy happens to carry baby food for orphans, so can you really risk it? 😉
E-2D is and ISR asset.
UCLASS is an ISR asset.
the MQ-9 is an ISR asset
but you put an F-16’s worth of weapons under its wings, and you get the most-used attack aircraft in decades
if they were to put the UCLASS with the attack wings, then a number of pilots would be reduced to sitting behind a screen, using a mouse to point and click stuff to death, rather than flying around on a rocketship
the Air Force has encountered this problem but has refused to accept it. as a result it’s losing RPV pilots, even as demand is increasing (so much for all those who said UAVs would be useless when the West leaves Afghanistan)
the Army found an easy solution: just let NCO’s do it, you don’t need experience pilots. the UCLASS will take this a step further, as it’ll be completely automated from take off to landing
so the Navy is taking the middle road: use its E-2D people
the other thing is that by putting the UCLASS with ISR, you’re saying its an ISR asset, completely different from the F-35
if you put it with the attack wings, you’re saying active combat pilots will be reduced to playing Hawx, and more importantly you’re saying it might take over roles from the F-35. then you’re suddenly getting in the way of a $300 billion program
by hiding with the ISR wing, the UCLASS is a wolf in sheep’s skin. and probably the only way for it to reach operational status alive
It’s a good news (by the way) for the 35 and all USN over stick addicted Pilots. The robot Joe are still one block away 😉
the MQ-9 was only a block away from the F-16
then they started closing down F-16 squadrons, or replacing them with MQ-9s
if the F-35 slips up, you can be sure the UCLASS’ builder will suddenly reveal that it can take over a large number of the F-35’s missions, even as the F-18I/J takes over the other missions
The US Federal Aviation Administration has teamed up with news network CNN to explore the integration of sophisticated unmanned air vehicles into newsgathering.
funny how the FAA is limiting private UAV use, but the big propaganda generators can still use them
I guess they don’t want private people to find an easy way to film stuff the government doesn’t want us to know
I remember the story of an environmentalist who used a drone to film illegal activities by a firm. the guy then gets fined and his proof is illegal in court, because the FAA says you can’t video a crimenal act without their approval :p
The USN will be controlling its UCLASS units from embedded E2Ds:?
an interesting bureacratic choice, as it keeps the UCLASS clear of the F-35 and its defenders, as at least on paper it’s not in the same game
USN receives first MQ-8C
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/northrop-grumman-delivers-first-operational-mq-8c-fire-scout-to-the-us-navy-300004328.html
anyone know how these UAVs compare in cost and performance to say a Seahawk?
considering the USMC’s succes with the K-MAX (which btw would be great on ships, with their smaller footprint)
I read about them being used for recon and what not, but I imagine they can be used for a lot of roles
unmanned U-2 concept
http://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-updates-unmanned-u-2-concept
but I’m guessing the USAF already has a RQ-170 type stealthy UAV to fill the role of high flying overhead asset
The U.S. Air Force Was Not Fond of the Next-Gen Predator Drone (excerpt)
correct link:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-s-air-force-was-not-fond-of-the-next-gen-predator-drone-77cb9a3d10b8
The Reaper is currently the U.S. Air Force’s main armed drone, but in its standard version it suffers the same inadequacies that plague the original, 1990s-vintage MQ-1 Predator A. It can’t fly in bad weather and its satellite-relayed control signal tends to lag, which can cause crashes when operators sitting in trailers in the U.S. can’t respond fast enough to problems.
It’s also possible to hack the Reaper’s video stream … and jam its GPS.The Air Force desired a “hardened” MQ-X airframe, the history states—an airframe that could “withstand significant battle damage, while the on-board systems detected, avoided and countered both physical anti-air and electronic communications and GPS jamming threats.”
I call bogus
on bad weather, I’ll bet GA installed de-icing systems, but more importantly with greaters speed and I’m guessing altitude, the Predator C can simply fly above or around bad weather, not always an option with the older models
on satellite signal, that’s a matter of programming. modern UAVs are programmed to fly in loops or return to base if the datalink is lost
hacking the video stream and jamming GPS can certainly be done. just as it can be done with every technology with a data link (satellites, F-35) or that uses gps (most aircraft, most air-to-ground weapons)
more importantly modern UAVs are equiped with INS technology, making GPS blocking a lot harder. and their data links use the same encryption as every other advanced weapon system
what seems the most absurd is the “withstand significant battle damage” argument, considering the F-35 probably can’t survive a few bullet holes
another USAF bureaucratic victory to protect the historic failure that is the F-35, the Windows Vista of aircraft
it seems UAVs are what’s needed against ISIS
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/17/drone-shortage-hampers-isis-war.html
a shame the Pentagon chose to spend $400 billion on the F-35 instead
Ukraine military says they were attacked by aircraft near Luhansk, any more info on this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3199056/posts
edit: and this article says Russian units used UAVs before attacking with an artillery strike
http://uacrisis.org/rnbo-17/
I’d request moderators to delete all political posts, and give a single warning to further political posts
personally I don’t care which country is doing what, I’m just interested in what hardware they’re doing it with
on the naval attack, they’re saying on the radio that the ships were attacked by aircraft, and it would seem like that on the video starting at 1:00
any idea what aircraft those where?
I thought maybe those were birds, but looks like a clear smoke trail
Ukraine said it saw no aircaft on their radar, could they have been flying low enough to stay off the radar?