but there were photos of expended missiles that looked awful similar, claimed to be recovered nearby.
any links? and any idea on why it would fire these missiles, if the UkAF is not active?
the first two posts were on topic, and not politically charged
I’m looking for info on one of the most advanced air defense systems around in action (if unconfirmed so far other than by NATO reports)
and Russia’s use of UAVs which it has struggled with for years
any idea on what type of UAV Russia would be employing? their Altius is looking like a big step forward, but I doubt they have something in that class operational
maybe Israeli drones
you might be confusing Boyd (died late 90’s) with Sprey (recently made comments on the F-35)
the USN didn’t leak discriminating info on the X-47B as it did on the F-35
replacing the tailhook on a single experimental aircraft is also a lot less problematic than on a $300 billion program aircraft that’s not supposed to have any problems, struggles with serious weight problems and is already in production
and where the USAF and USMC are seeing the F-35 as the sole option, killing every other alternative, the USN is keeping its options open, buying the F-18E/F and developing the UCLASS which could threaten the F-35 budgets
as for the F-111, from what I’ve read the USN purposefully sabotaged the program because it didn’t want to share an aircraft with the USAF, and then secretly started work on the F-14, using many of the already prepared systems (radar, missile). it then almost forced the F-14 upon the USAF (as it had done previously with the F-4), but the USAF got out of it by not giving the F-15 a swing wing
as for Boyd, he was one of the most skilled fighter pilots of his time, trained many know aces, and was vital in designing the F-15, the F-16, the F-18 and (through Sprey) the A-10 when the USAF didn’t want any of these aircraft and completely failed with the F-111. he was a math genius and became an officer in an organisation where most people hated him
ps build a lightweight dogfighter UCAV with just short ranged weapons and little other dead weight, and such a creature would be dodging missile like it’s going out of style and be able to run rings around the latest Sukhoi’s, never mind a lame ass F-35
X-47B operating alongside an F-18, impressive stuff
http://theaviationist.com/2014/08/18/x-47-operates-alongside-f18/
on a side note, I’m reading “Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War”, where the Pentagon’s bureaucratic workings are explained, and most importantly how the Navy sidestepped the Air Force by sabotaging the F-111 while developing the F-14 in secret
I’ve pointed this out before, but while the USN is officially committed to the F-35, it does show clear signs of rejection (like leaking data that it would be more expensive to maintain than legacy aircraft, and somehow not explaining to LMT how to do the hook right) and they’re working very hard on getting the UCLASS concept proven
meaning that if something were to “happen” to the F-35 (as “happened” to the F-111), the USN will be ready and waiting with the UCLASS to fill its shoes
I bet the reason the USN is stalling on the UCLASS RfP (“imminent” over a month ago), is because there’s a bureaucratic battle going on to protect the F-35
appolagies if this is discussed elsewhere, but what is this about Iraq buying 6 Su-30K’s and giving them to Iran?
Its big report on drone crash data for past 10 years. crash rate is far worse than 30 year old used F-16 let alone twin engine fighters. and that’s not even air to air war where fighters are laden with EW equipment.
in defence of UAVs:
– F-16 crashes: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/mishaps-and-accidents/
– the report is a bit biased. to give one example, “Military drones have slammed into homes, farms, runways, highways, waterways and, in one case, an Air Force C-130 Hercules transport plane in midair.”
what the report quietly forgets to mention is that in that example, the C-130 was at fault, while the UAV was where it was supposed to be
– UAVs are a relatively cheap option, and also an extremely cost effective one, but so they’re not designed with durability as a priority
they’re also being used like crazy, spending way more time on missions than manned aircraft. as such it’s only logical that they’d have a higher accident rate
by comparison manned pilots spend most of their flying career in training missions, designed to minimize errors during operational missions. if UAV pilots were given the same amount of training, they’d probably make way less mistakes
– a lot of the crashes also originate from know problems that the USAF has refused to resolve, or only slowly
for example the USAF has chosen from the beginning not to equip most of their UAVs with automated landing systems, where most of the accidents take place, despite these systems having existed on UAVs since the 90’s. the US Army did choose to use such systems, and suffers markedly less accidents during landing
other matters are that of datalink loss and icing. both can be fixed relatively easy, by programming the aircraft with a more advanced autopilot or installing de-icing equipment, both of which are being implemented in varying degrees. either way if these options had been chosen earlier in the acquisition phase, a lot of accidents could have been avoided
another point is that UAVs are used a much more risky way than manned aircraft. prime examples of this is over Bosnia, where manned aircraft were forbidden from flying below a certain level, greatly reducing their effectiveness, while UAVs where often sent much lower in an attempt to spot targets. or over Libya, where an MQ-8 was shot down because it operated within the range of enemy weapons, where other assets came nowhere near the enemy
and a final important aspect is that of pilot fatigue, UAV pilots are being pushed to the limits, while receiving only begrudging recognition and support for their efforts. the USAF could easily solve these problems, by converting more pilots into dedicated UAV pilots, or using NCO as the US Army did succesfully, but they choose not to, probably heavily based on a culturual bias. as such this systematic and unsupported pilot fatigue will also cause a considerable number of crashes which could easily have been avoided with but a cultural mentality change
KC-135J Harvest Hawk’s Griffin
about that, flyaway cost is about $70 million, compared to $15 million for a Reaper
cost per flight hour is $$45,986 compared to $4,762
6 flight crew, compared to 2 for a Reaper. if the aircraft crashes or gets shot down, that’s 6 lost lives versus 0
8-12 hours endurance versus 14 hours, but the Reaper with extra fuel and 2,000 pounds of ammo has an endurance of 42 hours, meaning a single aircraft can cover a long mission for an extended period, where the HH would need to be replaced relatively fast
the HH can carry a very big ammo payload, but 2,000 pounds on the Reaper equals 44 Griffin missiles, more than enough for any mission
the A-10 does better, having only cost $15 million, a single pilot with a big payload and long endurance, and it’s a flying tank so it can be used in dangerous missions, and only $17,716 per flight hour
the main limit of UAVs is speed, but that will change when Avenger type UCAVs come into play, which is said to cost only $15 million
if I were on the ground, UAVs would be my first choice for CAS
24/7 overwatch, direct video link and communications relay gives me an (IR) god’s eye of the battlefield and ensures long range networking
instant strike, seconds rather than minutes, soon with direct ground control, reducing the chance of friendly fire and giving gun control to the people in the field who understand the situationt the best
and once UAVs finally start carrying micro-munitions, they’ll be able to destroy soft targets all day long. and if they implented something cheaper and lighter, like radio-guided grenades, a single UAV can carry enough weapons to kill hundreds of infantry targets
and all this for a fraction of the price of an A-10 and certainly a B-1, but without risking a pilot’s life
and soon we’ll have the AQ-10, giving us the best of both worlds
price is said to be “less than US$1 million each”
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1079637/low-cost-chinese-drone-be-unveiled-zhuhai-show
considering the parts for an original RQ-1 10 years ago were a few $100,000 without the sensor ball, calculating for quickly dropping costs in technology and production costs, and $1 million isn’t that unreasonable
I mean in China you can get an iPhone clone at 10% of the price. not the same quality, but it will work, and not a bad alternative when you can’t get the real thing
as for quality, the Saudi-Arabians aren’t stupid, they’ll have tested it and demanded guarantees
and with neither the US nor Israel willing to export UAVs easily, China is quickly filling the gap and they don’t want to scare away their potential customers
likely they’re giving such low prices as to be able to increase production, meaning more jobs and money for China, and cheaper UAVs for China’s own military. the USSR did the same things with their military hardware
as for operational necessity, I’m sure attack helicopters have their uses, against easy targets with no air defences
but as we’ve seen in Ukraine, enemies will adapt and then helicopters get in trouble easily
UAVs can fly high and long, are hard to spot, and such a squadron of poor man’s satellites at the cost of a single attack helicopter is clearly the better use of money
it should also be noted Iraq has already bought the ScanEagle, but as the US military has long shown, there is just no beating having a medium sized and armed UAV sitting on a target for 10+ hours
I’m wondering why they didn’t buy UAVs (instead)
Saudi Arabia has bought the Chinese Wing Loong, said to cost about $1 million
compared to $36 million for a Mi-35 through $61 million for an AH-64D, you could get an entire squadron of Predator-level UAVs for a single attack helicopter
considering the succes of UAVs over Iraq and the recent losses of attack helicopters over Ukraine, one would think it clear that UAVs are the more efficient if not the much more effective investment
Russian AF isn’t going in unless there is a major loss of civilian life.
that’s why those 40 dead in Odessa are such a big deal, Russia now has all the excuse it needs to go in
but the next week is going to get worse, as the May 11 refendum nears
Ukraine even with NATO will still be outmatched. The logistics, Oil supply, trained manpower simply not there
blizkrieg style can quickly finish off Ukraine but i Russia may adopt Libya style slow motion war.
it is to give incentive to kiev to keep sending forces into Eastern Ukraine and draining Ukraine economic to force skilled labor move across the border.
on Ukraine forces being sent into Eastern Ukraine, I figure this also creates the situation that if Russia draws battle lines from Belgorod (300 km) and Shakhty (500 km) all the way to Dnepropetrovsk, then they can trap the cream of the Ukranian military in a dead end street
the Russian air force would be vital here, attacking any military convoys trying to retreat, cutting off their escape, and destroying any units that might block the Russian military units advancing
it’s a similar strategy to the one Russia used at Stalingrad (today’s Wolgograd, 450 km straight East from Luhansk)
any word on what an air war between the two would look like?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Air_Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Russia has clearly the edge in both numbers and equipment
and probably in training, supplies and maintenance
they’re using the same equipment,so I’m asuming the Russians know perfectly well how to jam soviet-built missiles and radars
tactically speaking Russia has a major advantage with its AWACS, tankers, and advanced fighters like the Su30 and Su35
for ground support Russia has an impressive array of ground attack aircraft, plus a large number of strategic bombers
not to mention its large and advanced helicopter force
while defensively the Russian military wields a fearsome number of specialised SAM and AAA units close to its ground troops
combined with AWACS, this would make any Ukrainian air attacks equal to suicide
on top of that Russia claimed a number of Mig-29s in Crimea
and there’s always the risk of Ukranian pilots defecting, rather than facing an overwhelming enemy force
I’d say Ukraine is clearly outmatched here
in the opening phases superior aircraft, missiles and AWACS would result in easy and fast Russian air superiority
after that the Russian Air Force can send its attack craft to target any Ukranian forces, dug in or on the move, and pin them down or destroy them, crippling Ukranian mobility and with that their effectiveness
this would the Russian military to move up quickly in a Blitzkrieg style attack, destroying any opposition with more air cover
scaling up should be less of a problem, even if the vehicle design doesn’t allow for it
that’s because with UAVs the important part is not the aircraft itself, but its software and hardware
like how NG transferred the Fire Scout’s system to the Fire X
the hardest part is take off and landing, mission profiles, sensor integration…
once you get that in good order, it’s down hill from there
and you can transfer it to any platform, regardless of size, stealth, speed, shape…
it’s just a matter of linking the new platform to the system, and the system does the rest
edit: it’s like installing an advanced operating system onto another computer
you’ve got to work out the bugs, also for any system you add, like a camera, a microphone, a graphics card, a dvd reader…
but once you’ve made it work, it’ll work
and this way you can install this operating system onto any vehicle, even if it used to have a different type of operating system (human) and turn it into this new system (unmanned)
DARPA is moving ahead with its X-Plane program:
http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2014/03/18.aspx
I’m interested in the Sikorsky tailsitter concept, without the rotating engine parts needed by the tiltwings, it should be a more elegant an efficient design. and there’s not much reason for a UAV not to be a tailsitter, computers don’t care which way is up
plus if you put some wheels underneat you can easily make it into a CTOL aircraft, increasing take off weight
maybe a detachable carriage, and the aircraft can just land vertically
some news on the Avenger
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2014/02/avenger/?cid=18981954