UAV relay chain, laser line of sight.
yup. such chain aircraft don’t have to be big either, they could be just stealthy cruise missiles
but better would be to just use more UCAVs, as these would also function as a backup: if the aircraft in the front of the line is destroyed or runs out of supplies, the whole chain simply advances. or if support is needed, the chain advances and increases the number at the front end
the chain aircraft also act as cover: if the enemy tries to engage any of the chain aircraft, the others can instantly act as wingmen
although being relatively cheap stealth aircraft, it’s probably unnecesairy to equip them with A2A missiles, better that they carry more A2G ammunitions and fuel and close down enemy air bases. air superiority can be left to the F-22, which can use targetting data provided by the chain which can get very close to the target, so it’ll be able to provide optical images of the target and hopefully avoid friendly or civilian casualities
another idea from Plummer, that I’ve also thought of in the past, is to equip the Air Force with carrier capable UCAVs
in the past the USAF has used the F-4 and A-7, but these couldn’t easily be operated off a carrier because a) landing is extremely difficult and b) carriers don’t have the room for all these aircraft (and pilots)
with UCAVs, landing is completely automated and doesn’t take up any valuable space on the aircraft; and because of the extreme range and endurance, the carrier can operate exponentially more aircraft, because these only need to return every 24 hours, rather than every 8 hours. plus if the carrier doesn’t have the room, the UCAVs longer range and endurance allows them to find a better emergency landing spot, or they can simply be refueled in the air until the engine fails so to speak
fielding the same aircraft would also greatly cut costs in maintenance, procurement and pilot training. the services would use common equipment and techniques, meaning in a pinch they can take over from each other (and any forward USAF or USN pilot could take direct control of any UCAVs in operation, shortening the control chain)
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The conceptual technology alone is not enough. It has to fit into the real operational world, and you must accept that’s a long way from realised for many of these automated systems.
if you say so
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just keep in mind its all purely fictional!.
hahaha
Leonardo da Vinci’s work was fictional. he was a genius that was limited by the technology of his time
Fuller and Liddell Hart’s work was fictional, when they conceptualised what later became Blitzkrieg tactics. the technology was there, but no one was willing to try it
the technology Plummer is proposing is achievable today, has already been created, or will be created soon
while the tactics he is proposing will be effective and feasable
in essence Plummer has invented the new tank and the Blitzkrieg tactics to go with them
most people will fail to understand this, and think of such idea’s as absurd and delusional
but then most people are complete idiots
The problem there Sanem is you’re quoting another iteration of the venerable Kurt Plummer.
thanks for the name and the background, that’s appreciated 😉
I don’t understand most of what he’s saying to be honest
but Plummer is in my view, for all the faults he may have, the most visionary author out there in the field of air power
and many other military fields too btw
http://aviationweek.com/defense/manufacturing-tech-key-driving-down-f-35-costs
If the F-35 goes TU as a program under a Hillary/Cruze/Trump whitehouse, LM could very well be in a strained financial situation, past recoverability. Yet LM is the SOLE company whose existing manufacturing capacity has been funded, by the SDD effort, towards something like a modern level of manufacturing capacity and variable/small lot, JIT, lean lines.
Losing that will set America back at least 10-15 years in terms of advanced military manufacturing ability.
The problem is that, tactically and as a function of service economics, the F-35 as a global airframe choice to follow on to the F-16 is just a really bad idea.
1. Because you want ONE CONFIGURATION of airframe, useable across all three services. You already have this in key elements of subsystems like the sensors and MADL datalink. But if you could pull a reverse A-7/F-4 and move USAF jets to sea using JPALS and Delta Path (or a UCAV) to deskill the pilot requirements to carqual, you could SOLVE IMMEDIATELY the entire ‘my other fighter is at home in the garage because I can’t deploy it here.’ and suddenly look at an 800 or even 500 jet air force instead of the monstrous 2,200 airframe one we face today.
2. Everything needs to be common _and present_ for NCW as a ‘system of systems’ synergant to really work. If your E-2 cannot penetrate due to threat or distance, you have no BMC3. If your EA-18s are at RB-66 (Vietnam) equivalent risk you have no roll back command and advanced signal characterization thumbprint and technique build of MALD-Js as standforward jammers. If your carrier is 1,000nm offshore due to ICD threats and your target has another 1,000nm of backfield (Persian Gulf killsac gutter, China and Ukraine) in which to clutter hide key targets like DF-21 TELs, your pilots are going to be operating, daily, _beyond their 8-10 hour endurance levels_. We have already done this, once, in OEF Afghanistan. Pilots coming home from 12-15hr sorties were a danger to everyone coming aboard and had to be retired to a planning cell for a couple days to recoup. And of course all of this assumes that tank-forward is practical when in fact, thanks to J-20 and T-50, they may also be pushed off.
3. Nobody is thinking (system) configurationally or on a shorter than 2-3hr time response curve. PLANNED missions in Enduring Freedom AfG were on an 11hr interval. Unfragged ’emergency requests’ were as much as 17 hours out. This is tactically worthless if you are forced to drop troops into a meat grinder of a failed state condition with nukes on the loose as the Worst Case Scenario of Pakistan and North Korea represent.
At the same time, if you want to really control costs, control airframe size. This is particularly important as we peak out on avker propulsion (energy density) efficiencies with VAATE/ADVENT technology.
The two key drivers on airframe weight as price scaling are pilot and weapons. No pilot = no environment bubble, no heavy A2A weapons suite, no 9G structure and no need for massive burner and tails to move the jet around. It also means no 8-10 hour mission limit with 3 (each direction) spent in airliner mode, transiting to and from the combat area. And only 1-2 actually on-station, vacuuming the battlespace for targets, at a 1,000nm radius.
Weapons also need to be offboard so that we can move towards super or hypersonics in a 10-15ft and 2,500lb weapon class while having 20 minutes to 300 or 800 nautical miles, depending on profile.
Stealth buys you height and height buys you sensor graze/squint lines. When you can spot a target from 60-80nm out and put a hypersonic weapon on it on a Pizza Hut (30 minutes or your next one is free!) delivery schedules, you have conquered the radius vs. time issue (using a sub or CABS airframe, offshore). When you have a targeting drone that can put 500 knots on the clock while still having some fraction of a Predator’s max 42 hour endurance (say 15hrs), suddenly the enemy is operating on YOUR SCHEDULE as a function of not being able to maneuver and resupply between raids.
ARGUMENT:
The F-35 supplies none of the above. And it’s production economics are always going to be scaled around a 2,450 jet force which is simply unaffordable in an airframe whose principle utilization is going to be DEAD before conventional airframes flow in to do the meat and taters normal missions (OBAS, CAS, etc.) while _Missiles_ solve for the INT HDBT static targets.
Think systemically, and the process for getting there, through mixed offboard weapons and standoff UCAVs using the same datalinks as the F-35 _must have working_ to survive, become possible at mission radii where pilots simply cannot endure and be useful.
CONCLUSION:
Where A2AD begins at 1,500nm with BASM attacks on Carriers and Airbases.
Where the 2030 Air Defense is centered around 1MW class Solid State Lasers with 15-20km, eyeblink, ranges and sortie losses per day approach 50%.
You cannot see the F-35 as a useful solution. It is anachronistic and obsolescent. It was so the very moment, in 1994, when it’s mission elements need study was first set to paper. Oh, wait…
also an interesting question, can Iran take over from Russia in terms of air support? will they?
edit: I’ve suggested before that drones would be an effective for air campaigns in Syria by Assad coalition forces
and Iran not only has what seems like functioning armed drones, but they also seem to lack manned ground attack aircraft, so they have every reason to use them
here’s an article on Iranian drones
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/like-it-or-not-iran-is-a-drone-power-e9899c954a3f#.fhdcd0qwh
about that, how does this cost compare to regular training missions?
say a Su-24 crew dropping live ammunition in Russia, compared to them flying combat missions over Syria
sure you’re dropping bombs, your crew will get increased pay, there’s the higher logistical price… but the biggest cost would be the aircraft deployment, maintenance and fuel usage, which I’m guessing will be about the same
thanks for the video
so yeah, looks like the Su-30 is also leaving
any news on the Su-35s?
also Saudi Arabia would also like a full out conflict
they’re cutting spending, the low oil prices are really hurting them
a real war (and higher oil prices that would likely be the result) would both benefit the Kingdom and keep its people distracted
(and the response has compounded the irony with which I posted).
I thought it was funny 😉
interestingly enough there’s no word on Russia’s more air combat capable Su-30s and Su-35s leaving
but everything seems to point at Russia pulling back to the air base
that said the move still makes no sense, nor does the whole ceasefire from a Russian perspective
if Russia had remained in place for a bit longer they could have helped reconquer Aleppo, and push back the rebels in other area’s, as well as potentially put ISIS on a run
that would have given Putin and Assad a much stronger position for any negotiations
instead it looks like they gave up
and these peace negotiations won’t go anywhere. Assad won’t leave, and the other side won’t accept anything less
and the instability in Turkey makes a Turkish invasion of Syria more likely
“to fight the terrorists”, but more importantly peoples in turmoil will shut up when they’re at war
Hollande must love ISIS, if not for them everyone would be talking about the economy he can’t get working
and don’t tell me that’s offensive, Turkey has admitted to bombing its own people in the past so they could blame it on terrorists
sounds like those defences are limited to the Russian base. any fighters will probably also be limited to that area
Turkey has already shot down a Russian jet, engaged Syrian troops, and it seems now has invaded Syrian territory
not saying they will do it. but any drawback of Russian presence will give Turkey/SA/NATO room to support the rebels. but with Assad in a prime position, he might be tempted to finish the rebels before they can regroup
hm, a military intervention by Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia suddenly seems a whole lot more feasable
without Russian aircraft and SAMs in the field, no way can the Syrians hold their own against such an opponent
their air power alone would crush the Assad coalition
don’t like it either
so many propellers, so many big rotating parts. expensive and prone to malfunction
tailsitters are the way to go, you need few extra propellers and nothing that needs to rotate
good news is it looks like it can STOL, that’s something we’ve learned from the Harrier