If Russia Offered a perfect deal i think it has a chance
It’s as much a political deal as a procurement of fighter aircraft, so I don’t rate the Russians chances too well.
I read an article about this proposed system on defenceindustrydaily a few days ago. So this was the Raytheon/Grumman proposal for the Royal Navy’s MASC Merlin helos.:diablo:
If it has the same performance figures as the APG-80 it can be quite a formidable surveillance platform. The Royal Navy will probably choose the Searchwater-2000 suite(since it re-uses radars salvaged from the Nimrods) but this has the potential to be the best helo-based AEWC platform of them all.:cool:
I don’t think the Nimrods used Searchwater AEW, but a rather a different variant of the Searchwater, though it could be possible to modify one into the other. The helo Searchwater AEW radars could be taken from the existing AEW helicopters. The RN would be better off going for a fixed wing AEW rather than a helicopter.
It’s well suited to naval fleet defence but not so great for general AWACS type roles as it can’t fly high enough.
A dremel I had when I was a kid, then I realised a few years later that they are quite useful and went and got another one.
@Paul
Agreed!
@Lincoln 7
Slow and gentle is usually the best way to go when applying heat to things, especially valuable thing like a freezer 🙂 For future reference, just open the freezer with it switched off over a container and leave it for the day, it will defrost itself 😎
A dremel I had when I was a kid, then I realised a few years later that they are quite useful and went and got another one.
@Paul
Agreed!
@Lincoln 7
Slow and gentle is usually the best way to go when applying heat to things, especially valuable thing like a freezer 🙂 For future reference, just open the freezer with it switched off over a container and leave it for the day, it will defrost itself 😎
I don’t see how delaying retirement of the F15C will compensate for F35 not being a very good fighter, unless they plan to introduce a better fighter than the F35 around the time that the F15C leave (unlikely!). With F22 standing at 187 they are going to need as many F35 as they can get, but I wouldn’t rule out a big cut.
@Witcha
I believe within NATO is permitted as the MTCR does not apply to agreements made prior to it e.g the NATO agreement.
@TR1
It may just be limited to 290KM by software, with the Russians willing to “unlock” the missiles at a later date, or they could be lying, we’ll never know for sure.
@kev 99
This was after they started the trials on the Longbow, around last year perhaps IIRC. It stuck in my mind as I was also under the impression that they would come together.
@Witcha
I’m not talking about the Type 26 missiles, those haven’t been ordered, and so can’t be reduced to save money in the near term.
This seems to be a common misconception, I’m not sure where it comes from but I’d guess it’s source is a forum. UK has not axed Aster 15 it bought both, and in fact some of the test firings from the Londbow barge used Aster 15s.
No it was an article IIRC. It seemed fairly reasonable as it was around the time the MoD was trying to reduce the numbers of other types of missiles being procured. If I get a chance I’ll send them an FOI request and we can get a certain answer 🙂
@Wanshan
mW is milliwatts. MW is megawatts. Also, PAAMS is very vague unless they specify Aster 15 or Aster 30. Since IIRC the Aster 15 buy was axed, this would have to be Aster 30, unless they are going to go back and buy Aster 15 too. It would also be interesting to see if they are suggesting the strike length Sylver.
@Witcha;1825978
Spain bought some, so they must be.
Spain’s military bought 43 missiles. The integration of the TAURUS in the Spanish Air Force service line has been certified by the successful completion of a dedicated test campaign in South Africa, carried out in May 2009.[7] Other countries may also order TAURUS.[8]
MBDA has offered Tauras KEPD 350 to the Indian Air Force for its Su 30 MKI fighter jets.
I’ll pretend I didn’t read your xenophobic comments, just added for other posters that I’ve just seen there was a programme of mid life update for the scalp/storm shadow of 200 million € starting from 2015 for delivery starting 2018.
Anyone know what they consist of?
Nic
So anyone that chooses to buy from a superior product from a different country is xenophobic? Those countries that chose Eurofighter instead of Rafale are xenophobes too? If that French turbine was even close to as good then there is a good chance the Germans would have selected it.
So all Mildave can do is restate his personal opinion of how incapable and dependent the British aerospace and defence industry is, without actually giving us anything to prove it, so his claims have zero weight. The UK has fighter design/production capabilities (BAE Warton), military engine design/production (Rolls Royce, Bristol), EW systems/Radar/EO targetting/comms (Selex), more comms (Qinetiq)… also Honeywell UK, Thales UK aerospace and defence, Martin Baker, Goodrich with their respective subsystem fields…
Yeah and the F-22 use french tires…
What a poor argument
It’s like comparing the techology needed to build a plasma TV with that of the wood table you put the TV on.key technology in a modern fighter :
engine
radar
INS
communictions
airframe design and materials
BVR A2Amissiles
Stand off A2G missiles
ECM
optronics
smart softwares and fast chips to run themthe rest is more or less irrelevent as far as sovereignty is concerned
Whenever I hear you call my argument poor I know It’s pretty much spot on, so thanks for that confirmation!
You seem to have forgotten actuation, climate/life support, ejection, and dedicated close range missiles from your list BTW :rolleyes:
The Storm Shadow/SCALP seems to have a weaker engine with fewer stages so there is a chance that the specific fuel consumption is worse too. The Taurus uses an American turbine, the Storm Shadow/SCALP uses a French turbine, so was most likely chosen based on workshare rather than it’s turbining credentials! To the credit of Storm Shadow/SCALP it seems to have more wingspan.
@Mildave
Your post is long on opinion, mostly political, and short on fact. The UK has world leading companies in design and production of fighter engines, fighter aircraft, and the vital but often forgotten subsystems. The difference between can and do is irrelevant as both are correct with regard to the UK.
@Mildave
Which French ejection seat does Rafale use?
I think that Mildave thought more of “france” rather than just dassault as “one of the rare “complete aircraft” producers outside USA”..
if one looks around the world, there’s basically three countries doing so:
– USA
– Russia
– Franceall others rely on international partnerships or imports or “more or less licensed” parts to build theirs
The UK can produce all of the systems domestically (engines, airframe, hydraulic systems, life support and escape systems, RF/EO targetting ect). Good to see the French are upto their old tricks of moving the goalposts such that they can include France on the list but not the UK 😉 BTW I think the goalpost on the right needs to move a little more to the left 😀