I had naively imagined there might be facilities for 12 fighters, so I am rather pleased that Mount Pleasant could handle 16. I was thinking more along the lines of if we decide to permanently improve the defences of the Falkland’s could we really do so. For example if we had two flights or even a full squadron of Typhoon’s based permanently in the Falkland’s, do we have enough spare capacity in the total number of Typhoon’s available to do this? Same with future LRMPA, if we only end up with five P-8 (which I presume is the bare minimum to guarantee 1 available at all times), can we spare one permanently based in the Falkland’s?

Or just count them?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=falkland+islands&hl=en&ll=-51.817503,-58.440871&spn=0.014113,0.038581&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.835858,39.506836&t=h&z=15

I’ve uploaded the image to another site, here’s the link along with some other articles on Retired Chief Inspector Brunstrom 🙂

How speed cameras have turned the public against us
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/speedscameraspublicagai.jpg/

Is this the worst copper in Britain?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/brunstrombritainsworstc.jpg/

Sick Brunstrom parades headless biker (without family permission)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/April/apr23-30/apr2607sickbrunstromparadesheadlessbiker/

Paul, Just gone on it again, and if it’s the Vid re the Dassault stealth drone, then thats what I am seeing, no probs at all.
Strange why some can get it and others can’t.

Jim.

Lincoln .7

The Dassault Petit Duc video is in my sig, it’s on Youtube.

Deadly serious – and by far right I don’t mean those pig-ignorant thugs, the BNP. Just because the Nazis got everything so very wrong, doesn’t mean that some other party couldn’t do a much better job with the right leadership and policies.
I would describe politicians like Wilson, Healey, Kinnock and Livingstone as far left…

The BNP are probably better described as left wing, most of their policies are very socialist in nature, and are very similar to the “old Labour” policies, leaving aside the single issue of race. There seems to be a big problem in the UK with people using right wing as a synonym for bad 🙂

It will be interesting to see the effects of the damage to the police reputation as a result of them being seen to stand aside and allow what is perceived as “serious crime” to take place. The enforcement of minor traffic violations (notably speeding), taken to extremes by officers like retired Chief Inspector Brunstrom has done immense damage to the relations between the police and public in past few years. This combined with light sentences for more serious offences has given the impression to many that the police aren’t on the side of the general public anymore. Addressing this problem isn’t something the police can do alone, they need to work with government to raise the sentences for “serious crime” and reduce as much as possible the perception of prosecuting the innocent citizen. Speeding would probably be a good place to start with this repair.

How speed cameras turned the public against us – Article
http://amadis.sytes.net/politics/clippings/20040220%20Mail%20-%20Speed%20scameras%20-%20Public%20Against%20Police.jpg

BTW, I’ve never had a speeding ticket 🙂

It will also be interesting to see what happens with regards to police use of “reasonable force”, and homeowners right to self-defence, particularly the latter issue keeps arising. Some people have suggested the police are “damned if they do, and damned if they don’t” with the use of force, but to me it seems fairly clear cut. In a protest, such as the student protests, there is no justification for violence of any form or “kettling” or horse charging of protestors seeking to make the country they will inherit, a better place. If people are trashing property, threatening and assaulting people, robbing ect, then force is justified to bring an end to it. The police seem to have got it the wrong way around. They used heavy force on students seeking a well educated society in the future but stood aside and allowed rioters to trash London! Hopefully they will procure some more riot equipment, and build some more prisons.

Nothing wrong with hoodies, I wear them all the time in winter. Acting in a violent or anti-social manner whilst wearing a suit is no different to in a hoodie.

And don’t forget, when sovereign nations sign pacts between themselves all it takes for their cancelation is one of the parts to request its anullment. The Argentinians (and the British, of course!) may bail out of ANY agreement of the such the moment they feel it does not suit their current needs or policies. Noo strings attached!

Also, as rich as the “Falklands Government” may be it is quite certain that they WILL NOT fund the oil extraction operation down there. If the deposits are big enough to be in any way commercialy attractive it will take private corporations to do the hard work. And eve these guys do not spend their own cash to fund these efforts. The go to the market and say I need money for this project and the probable profit expected her is such and such. It will be these outside financial corporations that will get the ball rolling over there. If these guys suspect that drilling over there against Argentinian will ought to make the process TOO RISKY, they may just decline the financing and nothing the Falkland’s Government may say will make any difference. These guys sure read the papers, what do you think the latest Defense Review in Britain spells for their perception that Her Majesty’s Armed Forces would be ever ready mobilize to defend their investments in the South Atlantic in the next 20 years time for instance? Maybe all it takes is the Argentinians to bange their chests to give these financiers the cold feet…

Comments?

Regards,

Hammer

Lots of ifs and buts there, a very biased perspective. Anyway, this isn’t a politics forum.

I take it these two new carriers will be ” Anti Carrier Missile & Torpedo ” proof???

Yes!

Who would use such weapons on an aircraft carrier without any planes? 😉

Well technically the two islands taking up less deck space then one is not referring to American carriers. Traditionally the Island on British carriers are huge taking up a significant proportion of the side of the carrier deck.

Ark Royal

Illustrious

Now look at the BAE proposed design:

Versus the Thales design:

For the Royal navy the Thales design did represent a significant saving in deck space whilst solving the issue of ducting the funnel for the Gas Turbines. Remember the Americans Super carriers are Nuclear Powered meaning they don’t have to duct any gasses through funnels or install intakes. Its worth looking at an image of a Wasp class LHD as you will find a large Island in comparison to the deck size due to among other things the need to duct a funnel. In the end the twin island solution was the most attractive solution to the packaging problems you have with a non nuclear

Indeed, the two island approach is one of the best things about CVF IMO. The separation of the gas turbines and of control hubs, as well as reduced duct length, are major advantages.

In a strange way, seeing those women, men, with brooms in hand, cleaning up their trashed ‘hoods, shows that the great spirit of G.B. has not been lost, the last time I saw this was when the Falklands war was on, and further back, just after the WW11.Everyone pulled together to rebuild, what was broken.
Hitler couldn’t drag us down, and nor will these scum thats caused all these riots.
I just hope that when they are caught, they get the full weight of the Judiciary Systems power of dishing out the max fines or custodial sentances out, that they possibly can.
I.M.H.O. there is, nor ever will be a solution to troubles on this scale, solved by Police action only.

I well remember when we all, (Police) came back from Toxteth, “It will never happen again”, we were told.It did, recently.
I think there will be a few months rest, and it may, although I hope not, kick off again. and to be expected to mobilise 16,000 oficers, brief them and send them out, all takes time, time, which these gangs will take advantage of.
A deterrant, has to be thought of, and quickly by Cameron and Co, to pass some new legislation to make these thugs think twice before embarking on such terrifying rampages again.

Jim.

Lincoln .7

Part of the problem is this country is that the first response of many people to any problem is to call for legislation, be it riots or recession! It’s already illegal to steal stuff and break into property, so whats to legislate?

Jay. Just slipping in and out re 368 of yours. The Royal Protection squad quite large are always tooled up, you will also find, many Patrol cars carry a “Safe” in the cars boot containing rifles and handguns, or at least they did when I was in the Force. Glocks being the most popular H/Gun.Back on thread.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

They probably have additional rifles and handguns in large stations, alongside the CS and tasers since they can’t take them home.

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