I’ve seen Blue Apple admitting he was wrong without problem, several times. Let me advice you to rise the level of argumentation…
But I never said anything about Blue Apple never admitting to being wrong, I said he is not in a position to be calling me stupid 😉
Did you read the post? 😀
Try the original post old son.
I agree that with your explanation it seems you were refering to the Typhoon all the time however reading the original exchange between yourself and Scooter one can easily form the (incorrect) impression that you refering to the Rafale versus the Tornado.
Hence my original comment:
“Really? How so?
You have just called bw on unsubstantiated claims so i wouldn’t expect you to do the same”Hence my gentle advice to re-read your original response.
The fact remains there was no mention of Rafale, and now you’re just trying to put your post into a different context rather than admit you were wrong.
Posting strawman only makes you look like an idiot, you know.
As I said, the plane can fly with lots of bombs under its wings.
But you won’t find anywhere a picture of a Typhoon releasing a PWII while carrying lateral fuel tanks for the simple reason that this configuration is not cleared for separation yet.
Which is why it wouldn’t make sense to deploy them to Afghanistan. It also explains the interest of all partners in conformal fuel tanks.
You are hardly in a good position to call others stupid.
Liam Fox statement in full
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/8349939/Liam-Fox-Libya-crisis-shows-why-were-right-on-defence-reform.htmlFair?
LOL
1. Cut it now, focus on buying the replacement
2. Well, we managed ok without it for 10 years so no need to replace it
and so it goes on :rolleyes:
The UK might even adopt the AASM…what with all the Anglo-French lovin going on:p
No chance, AASM is waaay overpriced.
I agree with Swerve, the £50 billion list of imported toys presented by nocutstoRAF would hit the economy hard, twice. Firstly in the £50 billion the taxpayer would have to find, then it would come around and hit them again with the trade imbalance. Its a military forum, so its understandable that people often consider the qualities of the platform in isolation, but really it must be remembered that money circulates, and exported money no longer circulates in the British economy. Its worth pointing out that £50 billion divided by 60 million people works out at a burden of £833 per person, thats £833 less being circulated in the economy per capita! Going F18E would be a BIG mistake, for above reasons, and because there are more opportunities in going for the latest equipment, and if nothing else the time until it becomes EOL is longer.
wouldn’t it cost the MoD a lot more money to buy the extra JDAM kits when they already have paveway ?
JDAM is cheap, so hopefully they will get some. £14k is fairly cheap!
Ah maybe you could re-read what you originally wrote as it appears to be stating that the Tornado is better than the Rafale for the job….
But my quote doesn’t even mention Rafale, the only aircraft it mentions are Tornado and Typhoon. The only person here that needs to re-read is you!
Can anyone find me the word “Rafale” in the post quoted by “Snafu” who claims to have read the post, and who claims I haven’t read the post (even though I wrote it)!
I’ve already evidenced my claim above. You should read, before you write. To repeat myself, the Typhoons are fairly busy with air taskings, the Tornadoes have much less to do, therefore its not worth sending a Typhoon to A’stan. Sure, if Tornado GR4 could properly cover QRA, then maybe we could debate which of Typhoon and Tornado should do the QRA and which should do A’stan. The Tornado is also going to reach its end of service before Typhoon, so if we are going to use up airframe hours, it would be best to do so on the Tornado GR4, not the Typhoons.– PPP
Nope, no mention of Rafale there Snafu.
Small guided bomb = SDB
SDB isn’t in RAF service, and its expensive, too expensive for large numbers of targets.
Yeah.
In fact, I have two Masters and one licence on differents subjects. 😉
But this topic is about sea-gripen and sea-typhoon, I will not use all my time in responding to personnal attack, I think everybody can understand that.
What are the subjects? I just am curious, but if you’d rather not say then that is fine 🙂
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Guess what:rolleyes:
I only said a very specific thing regarding collective responsibility: I see you wrote nothing relative to argue with that, so, no hard feelings on my side!
Best regards 😎
I wrote something, you simply don’t understand what I wrote.
UK dumb bombs are not going to be intergrated on the F-35C so what are they going to use instead?
Indeed, according the RAF website they are going for an all guided munitions force, no dumb bombs.
Very sensitive point I know but if we had not ring fenced such things as foreign aid to countries who’s leaders are amongst the wealthiest in the world.An dinstead of lending money to the banks HMG went and bought shares that are in some case worth less now than they were when they bought them so lik eothers HMG has to wait for bonus payouts on shares instead of getting the money back out of all the other money being used to pay bonus payments to bankers.So we seem to be in a decending spiral as far as spending on things we need like a sensible defence policy and spending.The MOD got severely slated last week for wasting money and not getting proper costings and budgets agreed for projects.Surely that should be a basic requirement ?,business has to do it or they can operate so how do the MOD mismanage so much ???
As I understand it the banks were backed, they weren’t given much “cash”. But with respect to aid, I think it should be exed completely, foreign aid is the domain of charities, not the domain of government.
Its hard for the MoD to get these proper costings in place, as the requirements and numbers are forever changing. Defence projects should be decided upon and funded, once that has happened, it must be impossible for said project to be removed/sold/cancelled until its out of service date, in order to protect the investment of the taxpayer. Post OSD, relative to storage costs, storage should also be considered for as long as a reasonable percentage of the item could be reasonably usable without expensive upgrade.
IMHO it would take some kind of total unmitigated disaster, one where the UK find itself powerless to respond, to make the politicos change their minds and start giving defence a prudent budget and capability.
Not that I want this to happen, but I think this is how bad it has gotten.
The Falklands and WW2 are both examples, and look how much we made our forces and our civilians suffer in those in terms of KSI due to lack of funding.
So basically you agree to the purest form of fascism, which is collective responsibility: A member of the X group of people did something wrong, so ALL members of that group do things wrong. Like saying… “heyyy, I met an Englishman who stink a few years ago. Geeez, so all Englishmen must stink!” :rolleyes:
That’s fine with me, since the facts of the last few days have proven the other forum member’s “point” totally baseless: Thousands of Greeks, Chinese and hundreds of other European citizens were evacuated succesfully under really hard conditions, yet nobody complained about safety! In fact, the only complaints expressed, were by our own and embassies of other european countries for not mobilising faster (e.g. HAF was one of the very few given permission to land in Libyan bases) and with more ships.
You shouldn’t blame them, instead you should blame their mama and papa who pay for their rent :rolleyes:
Anyways, nothing more to add, you may believe whatever suits you. Let us just hope that the evacuation process is completed as fast and with as few victims as possible.
Except I never made any claims of any form, I merely provided evidence that would be relevant to a statement made by another member, having seen a documentary about the incident. So actually, the only facist here is you, whom claims all Englishmen stink. Furthermore, you are also subscribing to the view that to have knowledge about a view is to support that view, so therefore if you know about the gassing of the Jews by the Nazis, you must support it! 😎
Really?
Seahawk – you are far more informed than that. Go take a run through the A330’s systems and see how many are built in the USA.
Also, I’m sure the boom & hose/drogue suppliers Cobham may object to being relocated to the “Eurozone” without any notice. 🙂
Indeed, the pods are made in the UK.
Sure, only have a Master and a pilot license :rolleyes:
A masters in Engineering?