When you’re sending a $100 mil fighter and its crew, into a high threat environment, you want its threat libraries and heuristic algorithms to be as effective as possible. The US has the widest, most intensive sigint/techint collection program in the world. You get access to that through the F-35 one hand while the program gets access to new data detected by your operational aircraft. A symbiotic relationship.
But the idea that the aircraft is crippled if this doesn’t happen on a sortie-by-sortie basis… …is beyond absurd.
OK, that makes sense to me. Thanks.
Even if they don’t receive an update on time, Turkish F-35s will still have no problems striking their target. It will have little short term impact. (To stick with the Apple analogy – updating your iPhone/iMac every month instead of every day doesn’t stop it from working properly now does it?)
That makes sense, too.
If your relationship with the US is one where there’s even a possibility of actual sabotage (deliberately placing your soldiers & pilots in harm’s way), then the F-35 isn’t the aircraft for you. Fortunately, this doesn’t apply to any of the countries the F-35 is being sold or marketed to.
Not so sure that every country supplied with F-35 will never embark on missions that run counter to US policy.
Only if you subscribe to this ridiculous notion that the pilot has to file flight plans with the JPO before undertaking a sortie.
Why do data have to be transferred to the USA? I don’t understand the need to shift data around in this manner (from country A to USA then from USA to country A) to update mission data files. It would be much simpler to do local updates.
Addition: let’s imagine that Turkey operates F-35’s. Turkey chooses to strike a neighbouring country. USA does not want that to happen. Is Turkey certain to get the mission data file updates it needs to conduct strikes to which the US government is opposed?
In a manner that recalls Apple’s ability to exert perpetual control over all iPhones by making it impossible for them to long function without periodically updating their operating systems, the US has made it impossible for foreign governments to simply purchase F-35s and use them as they see fit.
As Defense-Aerospace.com reported last November, “All F-35 aircraft operating across the world will have to update their mission data files and their Autonomic Logistic Information System (ALIS) profiles before and after every sortie, to ensure that on-board systems are programmed with the latest available operational data and that ALIS is kept permanently informed of each aircraft’s technical status and maintenance requirements.
“ALIS can, and has, prevented aircraft taking off because of an incomplete data file,” the report revealed.
I see a risk that F-35 operation can be controlled by the US government, whoever the operator is. If F-35 user A wants to strike a target and the USA government disagrees, the user can be prevented from striking that target by being denied updates to their mission data files. Come to think of it, won’t the USA inevitably know what a user’s government is planning to do militarily if mission data files have to be updated in the USA? I can’t imagine there being a Chinese wall at LM where the government agrees that LM will not leak military secrets of other countries to the US government.
And despite being clean and packing more than 1t more of fuel than a single seat Typhoon with three 1000 l tanks and despite that the latter also carries its weapons externally, the combat radius is pretty similar according public data. Doesn’t speak too favourable for the fuel efficiency and drag of an F-35…
F-35 seems draggy without external tanks. I wonder how much range Typhoon would have with 6 tons or so of fuel fitted with CFT’s (ie with lower drag than with 2.5 tons of fuel carried in external fuel tanks)?
Saudi Signs $3 Billion Deal with UK for BAE Hawk Trainer Jets
Getting back to the topic, any recent Kuwaiti news ?
If the schedule for the Italian minister of defence shows she’s booked on the 0715 from Rome to Kuwait City tomorrow, that would be a clue, wouldn’t it? 😉
If she isn’t booked on the 0715 to Kuwait City, that would be a clue as well! :apologetic:
Pretty picture but what on 18, 05, 2016?
Therefore I think this is real: they are really thinking to buy a second western fighter and build those locally. So my guess is:
1. They will buy 36 Rafale “off-the-shelf”
2. They will choose another Western partner, set up a plant in India and build new fighter jets.
1. I think the price is too high. Dassault has Rafale orders to keep the line running for years to come so IMO Dassault will insist on a price that is higher than what India is prepared to pay.
2. If Tejas Mk2 is no longer of interest to IAF, it would make sense to me to manufacture Gripen E / F-16 (a) to develop an alternative supplier to HAL (b) manufacture more efficiently (c) provide more certainty than HAL as to when fighters would be supplied to IAF (d) the chosen company could also help with AMCA development / help development through TOT
I guess the idea of a second production line might be for F/A-18 if Rafale cannot be finalised. Looks like there will be equipment to manufacture F/A-18 with no further need for it in USA roundabout 2018/2019.
I’m interested to know how different maintenance will be for F-35 compared with, say, F-16 in terms of the work the user does. I imagine an air force equipped with F-16 does all the maintenance required to keep the aircraft operational itself. What work required to keep F-35 operational cannot be undertaken by the air force operating it?
Read more: http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/02/private-sector-to-make-fighter-jets-for.html
…there may be one or two more jet fighter plants, either operational or in the process of being set up, in India in the next three years or so.
The development comes as both India and France are in the last stage of concluding an Inter-Government Agreement on direct purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jet planes.
Mmm… so in 3 years India might be manufacturing two different types in addition to buying 36 Rafale. Never heard anything so ridiculous! But as a thought, are there any companies apart from HAL (the private sector would do the manufacturing) capable of undertaking such an endeavour?
I observe the situation on the Russian side.
The insolence of the US and NATO “knows no bounds”. State of Russia – 1000 years, its “childhood diseases” is over. Now an adult, experienced “man” (40 – 45 years).
USA – 200 years This is a young man of 18 – 25 years. He “does not know what he was doing.” He knows only one word – “I want to”. He thinks only of himself and his own interests.
The United States in 1945 – 1991 years repeatedly provoked the Soviet Union. Only the the common sense of the Soviet Union saved the world from disaster.US occupied Europe, Japan and other places. They have placed military bases around the world. What for?
They used to call an enemy of communism. Today, Russia is not communist. In Russia, capitalism, as in the US.
What is the problem?Approximation of NATO to Russia’s borders. “Orange Revolution” in the former Soviet Union – the result of CIA activities. Financing of a “fifth column” in Russia.
All this creates a danger to the country’s territorial integrity and its statehood. What is surprising is that Russia has decided to defend themselves?Motives operations in Syria, I do not understand. I guess I look for them in mysticism.
If Turkey will dare again “prick Bear”, then it will lose control of the Black Sea Straits and part of its territory. In any case, the period of tension (or war) will end in 2018.
Thanks for your thoughts.
US occupied Europe, Japan and other places. They have placed military bases around the world. What for?
They used to call an enemy of communism. Today, Russia is not communist. In Russia, capitalism, as in the US.
What is the problem?
Good questions. I do not think USA would be happy if Russia had bases in Canada and Mexico.
But do not forget that Russia does not have a history of valuing freedom. Russia occupied most of eastern Europe for about 50 years. The people in those countries hated Russia removing their freedom.
Well, the big IF about the whole F-35 thing lie precisely in this.
It will be practically the only viable option almost for next fifteen year for all the western airforces.
The only viable option? Why?
Because there won’t be any other western fighters still in production. Apart from Rafale. But that’s not viable because it’s not F-35. And Gripen E. But that’s not viable because it’s not F-35. And anything else that might still be in production still won’t be viable because it isn’t F-35.:)
That appart we are here talking about a clean F-35A with an internal fuel capacity of ~8.3t and a twinseat Typhoon, which even with 3 x 1000 l tanks, has a capacity of ~6.5t!
How much fuel will Typhoon CFT’s hold? Don’t recall – are they programmed to come with the tranche 3 aircraft?
Maybe. But we have to keep in mind not all testing could be done in Chabarowsk. For the NATO crossing the Atlantic is nothing special but an important yardstick for force projection.
Is it an important yardstick for force projection? I don’t find it remarkable that a fighter with air-to-air refuelling capability can fly for 5/6/7 hours with air-to-air refuelling from a tanker. More the other way round – I would find it remarkable if it could not.
Guys, why so much garbage in your heads?
What is your opinion of Russian foreign policy? Can you explain an increase in activity where more Russian aircraft are being intercepted in Europe? I ask because you are based in Russia. How do you suggest that the current situation of tension can be calmed?