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  • in reply to: Dassault Rafale, News & Discussion (XV) #2210213
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    If India signs for 63 Rafale with a view to continuing with MMRCA for another 126, I think that Dassault will be in a position to dictate the unagreed outstanding terms and the price for MMRCA. Not a wise move for India to put itself at the mercy of Dassault.

    I also fail to see how any Rafale order can mitigate the problem India has of tumbling fighter numbers in the next 3 years with 10 squadrons of fighters being scheduled for retirement. Even if Rafale production could be doubled from 2016 and the Armee de l’Air received no Rafales at all in 2016, 2017, 2018, the Egypt order needs to be supplied so I think only 1+ squadrons of Rafales would be delivered by 2018. With Tejas Mk1 production currently moving to 8 a year (but perhaps rising to 16 in 2017), only 1+ squadrons of Tejas Mk1 will be delivered by 2018.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale, News & Discussion (XV) #2210269
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    According to Le Monde.
    63 to be ordered off the shelf. Using one of the MRCA contract option for buying planes made in France to get faster.

    http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2015/04/10/l-inde-veut-acheter-au-plus-vite-des-rafale_4613468_3234.html

    I don’t think that India wants to sign a contract with France for 60 off the shelf Rafales without discussing the Typhoon offer made by Germany. Why should it? And if India does choose to buy new build Typhoons, I think the UK and Germany (Italy, too?) would be able to supply several squadrons of aircraft to help offset the enormous drop in squadron numbers that would result from the intended retirement by 2017 (according to Le Monde) of 4 MiG-21 squadrons, 5 MiG-27 squadrons and 1 squadron of MiG-21bis.

    The only way India can possibly avoid a drastic reduction in its fighter strength (from about 35 squadrons now down to about 25 in 2017) is by procuring second hand F-16, Gripen C or Typhoon IMO. I don’t know where India would find a large number of F-16’s. I am not sure that Sweden has enough spare Gripens to supply a large enough number. Where Typhoon is concerned, the RAF is due to retire its 50+ tranche 1 Typhoons soon. Germany, Italy and Spain may be prepared to part with a substantial number as well. 100+ Typhoons could be available to India in short order.

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2210284
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    It is a mystery to me why Brazil and Argentina are negotiating the purchase of Gripen NG. Is it a political move to show regional allegiance (we are all united in South America)? Is it to explore the cost of replacing embargoed UK parts in Gripen with Brazilian parts? Is it in the hope that the South Atlantic Islands territorial dispute might be settled, allowing Gripen to be supplied with UK components? Negotiations cannot have been started with a real intention of supplying Gripen NG under prevailing political circumstances.

    I think the opening of negotiations to buy Gripen NG from Brazil is probably just a political gesture so that Argentina can complain that the UK is interfering with its right to procure aircraft with which to defend itself.

    Argentina knows that as things stand, it cannot buy Gripen NG. That is one reason why it is looking to buy from China.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale, News & Discussion (XV) #2210293
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    Scrapping of the MMRCA tender brings Eurofighter firmly back into play – and the Indians would be nuts not to buy the EF in a strictly govt. to govt. deal.

    If the Rafale MMRCA proposal is stuck on price and/or HAL complications and India decides to abandon it, a straight purchase of either Rafale or Typhoon could be suitable. Both aircraft met performance requirements for MMRCA. Rafale was selected over Typhoon based on lifetime cost but it is not clear that really would be the case. I think that India might find it could procure 60+ used Typhoons from the Eurofighter consortium countries at a very good price and far more quickly than new build Rafales.

    It would definitely make sense for India to extend talks to Eurofighter and in particular the Eurofighter consortium governments to see what they can offer. I can see one solution as a deal in which surplus Typhoons could be leased to India for a number of years which would give India time to sort out Tejas Mk2 and to build up a sizeable fleet. Switching from procuring new build Rafales to used Typhoons would offer a ready supply of much, much cheaper frames with more available should they be required.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2210382
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    US Air Force plans to replace the F-35 fighter’s avionics, radar and engines are an implicit admission that the current aircraft is already obsolete and that, despite a unit cost of over $250 million, it cannot match the latest foreign fighters coming into service.

    This is the first time a customer acknowledges that the obsolescence of the F-35’s sensors has degraded the aircraft’s still unproven nominal capabilities to the point that a radical upgrade is necessary, more than a year before it enters service.

    A “unit cost of $250 million”… What is the writer talking about?

    Technology moves forward independently of any particular aircraft in development. F-35 development is years behind original schedule so before intended technologies are implemented newer technologies are becoming available. Is it more a case of opting to incorporate newer technology due to the substantial delay in implementing the originally targetted technologies or is it more a case that the originally targetted technologies were not what they were cracked up to be? If this is a case of re-appraising what technology to incorporate in the aircraft, given the unplanned availability of superior technology (due to years of delay in implementing F-35 development), to me that seems a sensible thing to do.

    It may be the case that the USA is prepared to fund an ever more expensive component of their miltary arsenal – a strike/fighter aircraft – but I wonder how much further delay and cost increase will further dislocate the provision of effective overall defence for most other customer countries.

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2212607
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    Gripen C/D to Be Updated with New Software

    Not sure if this is new news or old news…

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/162353/gripen-c%C2%A7d-to-be-updated-with-new-software.html

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2210651
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    The Kremlin is slamming the brakes on its “fifth generation” fighter program and cutting its initial rollout to a quarter of those originally planned.

    Financial constraints are the key reason cited for cutting the military order from 52 to 12 of the planes over the next few years, according to the Moscow daily Kommersant.

    “Given the new economic conditions, the original plans may have to be adjusted,” the paper quotes Deputy Defense Minister Yuriy Borisov as saying. The project to build a cutting-edge fighter plane, which is partly financed by India, will not be canceled, but held in abeyance while the Russian Air Force makes the most of its existing “fourth generation” MiG and Sukhoi combat aircraft, he added.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/162320/russia-slows-sukhoi-t_50-production.html

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2210739
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    Before folks get too enthusiastic about the Bear coming to the rescue, consider that there has been no more (publicly visible) progress on Super-30 or FGFA these past few years than on MMRCA.

    I think I read recently that India envisaged spending the equivalent of US$20-30 billion on FGFA (sorry, don’t remember the source). As far as I can understand, Russia is a long way towards completing T-50 airframe development. Apart from developing a 2 seat version, what real airframe development work is left for India?

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2211261
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    Bogdan also says he is worried about the integrity of the F-35B’s aluminium 496 bulkhead, which bears critical structural loads where the trailing edge of the wing attaches to the aft fuselage. In 2004, programme officials reduced the weight of the F-35B by about 1,360kg (3,000lb). Those changes included switching the bulkhead material from titanium to lighter-weight aluminium.

    The lighter bulkhead has since proved susceptible to structural cracking, requiring a series of “patches” all over the 496 bulkhead. There are now so many patches that programme officials are concerned it may be necessary to redesign the bulkhead for production aircraft, Bogdan says.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-marines-stick-to-f-35b-dates-despite-new-problems-410518/

    I am surprised that redesign of the bulkhead was not initiated long ago if it has already required …a series of “patches” all over the 496 bulkhead to deal with the cracks found.

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2214755
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    I just find the attitude of many around here amusing. Everything Saab does is brilliant, everything is revolutionary, they are never late, always on budget, etc etc.

    Gripen is brilliant on a bangs per buck basis. And SAAB seems to be much better at keeping to schedule than other OEMs. Not perfect: I think either Gripen A or Gripen C fell 3-6 months behind schedule. Have not heard of SAAB going over budget on Gripen but on one development they did the job under budget. Dealing with SAAB on Gripen development must be paradise compared with at least some other OEMs. They are pretty reliable. Conmmissioning SAAB to do a job is unlikely to give you nightmares.

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2214880
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    I wrote

    The answer to that is at 52:05 in the seminar. The customer (Swedish govt) altered delivery from 2018 to 2019.

    You wrote

    Ah, so it isn’t late, they just aren’t going to have it ready on the original schedule. :rolleyes:

    Would you like developers to fund development out of their own funds to stick to an original schedule when the principal has decided to change the schedule? If the principal pushes the timetable to the right, payments will be shifted to the right, won’t they? The contractor is supposed to produce what was agreed with the principal when the principal wants it produced. May not be the way all companies do things but SAAB is hardly worthy of blame for doing what it is asked to do.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2215240
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    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2215252
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    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2215255
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    As recently as last year they were claiming the first flight would be 2015 and first deliveries to the Swedes would b 2018. How is 2016 and 2019 not a delay?

    The answer to that is at 52:05 in the seminar. The customer (Swedish govt) altered delivery from 2018 to 2019. That might explain why rollout has moved from 2015 to 2016 as well.

    http://saab-seminar.creo.se/150312/saabs_annual_gripen_seminar_2015

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2215266
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    Did you see the guy answering the question lol, he was afraid to answer it uncorrect. Coughing “different people, give different angels” An that other guy couldn’t stand still =)
    And the woman in the backround stared the questioneer.
    That was the most exiting part of this years gripen seminar according to me =)

    Other then that, not so much…..disappointed :S

    It was pretty unexciting.

    They would not answer the question about the price difference between the C and the E, only saying that they cannot give a price because it depends what is in the deal (and what configuration is required in the aircraft). They also mentioned that the cost of the aircraft represented 20%-25% of the deal cost for Brazil. If the deal cost is $5.4 billion then the cost of the 36 frames should be around $1.1-$1.35 billion. That just does not seem possible to me ($1,350 million / 36 = $37.5 million). Did I hear wrong?

    As recently as last year they were claiming the first flight would be 2015 and first deliveries to the Swedes would b 2018. How is 2016 and 2019 not a delay?

    Yes, I was surprised to hear rollout would be 2016 but I thought I had remembered 2015 incorrectly. That is a delay. It would be interesting to know why 2015 Q2 is now 2016.

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