It seems like a lifetime that the RAF has been training to use Meteor and Typhoon together!
Wonder how much longer it will take before it’s fully integrated. The report does not say that is was fired at a target – just that it was fired: “The missile motor was fired, providing data that will allow the missile launch envelope to be expanded.”
Is all the software there so that once the missile launch envelope is established it’s ready to use once it has been tested against a target?
The Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM) has been successfully launched from a Eurofighter Typhoon as part of the aircraft’s Future Enhancements Flight Test Programme.
http://www.key.aero/view_news.asp?ID=5519&thisSection=military
According to Lexington Institute-sourced report in defense-aerospace.com dated 29th November, things are looking good for F-35:
* “With regard to the fifth production lot… If the unit cost for the most common version of the F-35 exhibits the same learning-curve improvement seen in previous production lots, it will come in well below $100 million per plane.”
Which production lot was just announced a cost well above $100 million per plane?
* “The program plan envisions that by 2017 the “unit recurring flyaway cost” — the production cost — of each plane will be roughly equal to that of the latest F-16 fighters the F-35 was designed to replace.”
Good news – 5 years from now F-35 is planned to cost $66 million (in 2012 dollars)
* “In the case of the tailhook required so that the naval variant of F-35 can land safely on carriers at sea, redesign enabled the tailhook to successfully grab onto arresting cables in 83 out of 83 tests.”
Well done. Tailhook really works (supported by evidence, not just wishful thinking).
* “Senator John McCain offered some unusually positive comments about the F-35 at a ceremony before Thanksgiving, saying it might prove to be “the greatest combat aircraft in the history of the world.”
Mmmmm….
* Re: the pilot’s helmet – “steady progress is being made in correcting lags noted in the performance of the helmet that could detract from its performance.”
I have to say that I think lags actually do detract from performance.
They’re not offering them for any cheaper. What the IAF realised is that their earlier evaluation was flawed, since it didn’t take into account life-cycle costs
That is one hell of a realisation! I don’t believe it is possible for such an oversight to occur. Surely they must have decided NOT to take into account life-cycle costs then later changed their mind.
I will give you a more detailed description of the evaluation result.
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Offset
1. Typhoon : EADS CASA received 100% score for complying with all the requirments + extra point because of $1 billion local assembly plant offering paid for by the Eurofighter consortium.
2. Silent Eagle : Boeing received 100% score for full compliance.
3. F-35 : Lockheed received less than 50% score because it had no definite offset package, but a suggestion of vendor-financed optional industrial participation supplying wings, tails, and the rear box section. No avionics or anything of high technology. Furthermore, Lockheed offered to transfer only 21 out of 51 technologies requested. Other vendors offered to transfer all 51 requested.
Typhoon offset: just cosmetic management of numbers, I suspect. Would Eurofighter be asking more for the airframes or other items/services to offset the “gift” of an assembly plant? Somehow I think they would.
Japan: F-35 won over F/A-18E & EF
Israel: F-35 won chosen over F-15
Norway: F-35 won over EF & Gripen NG
Korea: No official decision made
I think I would dispute F-35 winning over Typhoon in Norway. Eurofighter withdrew their bid when they realised that the selection process was a sham.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-defense-fighterbre8at0x9-20121130,0,653095.story
LRIP-4 : 32 jets for $3.4 billion
LRIP-5 : 32 jets for $3.8 billionNot good, the LRIP unit cost is actually going up, not down. No wonder the Pentagon took so long to reach a deal.
Time to pull the ejection handle on the F-35 and go look for a jet with a saner pricetag instead.
The initial steps to keep US 4th generation aircraft in service a lot longer have been taken. Gives the US the option to reduce F-35 numbers due to F-35 cost, it seems to me.
I suspect that Canada, Denmark and the Netherlands will view these figures with alarm.
I agree with the F-18, but the SH is a design from the 90s keeping the main designation and the layout of the former for political reasons. The internal volume of the SH allows still some reconfiguration or growth path. 😉
OK but no export customer would order as many as 100 so where would the funds for development come from without the US Navy wanting further development?
The F-16 “new” may be sufficient for some years, but it is a design from the 70s pushed to its technical limits and sometimes behind already. It has reached the end of its growth-path as a multi-role fighter for some years ago.
+1
The F-18 is also nearing the end of its development life (unless the US Navy decides it wants F-18 in its own right rather than due to F-35 delays).
A single engined type has never really been suited for RCAF use. The simple fact is that while most bird ingestions in the CF-18 would result in a return to base and an engine swap the same incident in the 35 would likely result in the loss of the airframe and a pilot with a significant chance of lasting injuries due to ejection.
Wish I knew what the statistics were on bird ingestion over Canada. While I appreciate that you might remove the engine after the incident, what proportion of engines would actually have decided to call it a day of their own accord (rather than being shut down as a precautionary measure)?
I guess that depends to a great degree on the sorts of bird that share airspace with your jet aircraft. If there is a high likelihood of hitting a Canada goose should you hit something, that is very different to a high likelihood of hitting a pigeon should you hit something.
this debate about danmark, dont forget that greenland and Faroe islands are danish and will need at some extent an AF to guaranteeing its sovereignty.
How does the Danish air force guarantee Greenland sovereignty at the moment? Is there an air base there?
Given the canadian government received a fair bit of criticism for the manner in which it selected the F-35, is this simply a tactical play by them before that procurement is formalised; being simply the means by which they evidence the “correctness” of the original decision to the electorate?
That happens – we’ve made our decision but we will review it (with the intention of proving our decision was right) / get a consultant in (who knows that we are looking for a confirmation of our decision). Here it might be different. From the link given:
Rona Ambrose, the Public Works Minister, is now responsible for the F-35 purchase. She has signaled in the House of Commons in recent days that the government is not simply seeking to justify its previous decision to buy the F-35.
“We are looking at all options on the table at this point,” she said Thursday, in response to repeated questions by the NDP. “[The process] is a full evaluation of all choices, not simply a refresh.”
the only advantage F-35 has over the competition is Stealth, witch is pretty much non-existant when flying with external loads.
It ought to have some other advantage over the best contemporary fighters to warrant the tens of billions development cost. Data collection, analysis and presentation are seen as another strength but the airframe is not what allows F-35 to excel in this area. If F-35 sensing and sensory fusion are miles ahead of what is available with other aircraft, nothing stops these being strengthened by other manufacturers if asked to.
A little earlier than expected perhaps but here we go…
High AOA testing is done at idle and relatively low airspeed. If the airspeed was faster, the structural G limit would be exceeded and the wings would break off.
Understood.
The purpose of high AOA testing is to demonstrate care-free handing is a post-stall environment. This gives operational pilots the confidence to take their airplanes to the edges of the flight envelope without fear of losing control.
Understood.
Question: why is a high AOA ability portrayed as being highly desireable for a combat aircraft if it cannot be used at combat speeds (since the resulting G force would incapacitate the aircraft / incapacitate the pilot)?