The Bell X-5 was to all intents and purposes a beefed-up Messerschmitt 1101 with variable sweep thrown in.
The original was damaged somewhere betwixt Germany and America and although ground tested, was never flown.
Thanks – I forgot about the X-5 connection.
I certainly don’t believe any of the dubious claims that a Me262 exceeded Mach 1, and the Me163 was uncontrollable at Mach 0.84.
Quite right the Me262 could not have exceeded Mach 1 for the same reason as the XF-92 and the F-102 prototypes couldn’t – area rule.
So even if the Me262’s rather poor engines were replaced with better ones it still couldn’t have done it.
The Ta-183 (not built) and the Me-1101 (built but not flown IIRC) were true swept wing designs but I suspect even those would, at best, only got over Mach 1 in a dive like the early F86. And even then would have neeeded much better engines than were on offer.
I’ve always been under the impression that the Me262’s swept wing was decided upon for other than aerodynamic reasons relating to compressibility effects, and any benefits in that area were just good luck, serendipity.
I’ve just had a quick look at the entry in Warplanes of the Third
Reich and it doesn’t say one way or the other. Can anyone confirm this – or tell me that I’ve been labouring under a misapprehension?
As I understand it – the Me262 wing was “swept” to correct CoG problems, not compressibilty. The 262 was in no way designed to approach high Mach numbers. Also the centre of lift (?) on the wing as we move towards the tip is not moved backwards relative to the leading edge as in a true swept wing.
So despite appearances the Me262 is not a swept swing as we see in the case of the F86. German swept wing research seems to have stayed in the wind tunnel the Me163 excepted, however it also had a swept wing for stability matters rather than hig Mach number problems.
I assume this has been done before but a quick search didn’t turn up any hits so…
The British sale of jet engines to the Soviet Union after WW2 is described by many books and sites as a massive bonus for the Soviet Union – was it as significant as the books and websites suggest?
Well it certainly gave them a reliable engine to work with (the Nene). This powered the Mig 15, under a different name, and offered much greater reliability than the Soviet engines under development, which powered the first generation of Russian jets (Mig 9 etc.) and which appear to have followed the captured German technology. Bear in mind that the first US engines were simply developments of the technology that created the Nene, and that the F86 was powered by a similar style engine.
The German technology, while interesting and pointing to the future, relied on axial flow, unlike the centrifugal flow in the early British engines, and the component development was simply not advanced enough at that time to allow axial flow engines to operate reliably. Later of course they did, but this was only after metallurgical advances allowed the creation of better alloys for the blades. The Me-262 was noteworthy for its unreliable engines.
Interesting.
Mitsubishi probably still have the name rights for a Zero. Or oddly the Kamikaze (Ki-15). Both splendid names for cars.
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I believe that is the very rare and obscure Dassault Flamant Hec. One of the first French airliners to offer a full restaurant service on all flights.
Unfortunately the weight of the galley equipment kept it permanently grounded.
According to Bill Gunston, ‘Roy Chadwick wanted to put four Nenes in a Lancaster which would have been almost immune to intercption or flak’.
Anyone seen the expected performance for this?
Any other WW2 bombers suggested for conversion to jet power?
Well there is the little known experiment involving a HP 0/400 and 2 RR Speys – the engines took off but the rest of the aircraft was trucked down by road several days later π
I rather found this story on that site quite amusing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm
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If your knees bent the other way what shape would aircraft seats be?
If your knees bent the other way what shape would aircraft seats be?
That’s one hell of an impressive 1/1 scale model you’ve built. π
Well, after the end of WW1, the US & UK paid Krupps back royalties on several shell fuze patents, and the US paid Mauser back royalties for the bolt design on the Springfield M1903.
Actually the US continued to pay royalties to Mauser throughout the war. The money went through a Swiss bank.
Wonderful stuff James – thanks for the update.
Our MMP Hurricane book mentioned says:
“Hurricane with a rear gunner
One Hurricane (Canadian-built Mk XI BW948) supplied to USSR was fitted in 1942 with an open rear gunnerβs position with a flexibly mounted ShKAS machine gun just behind the pilotβs cockpit. The sliding canopy was removed.”Cheers,
Of course it could be reverse evolution asserting itself with a Hurricane metamorphosing back into a Hart π Attach the Hills slipwing and voila.
But seriously I wonder what it’s performance was?
Aha! The very beast! Cheers for that.
Noticed there also seems to be a panel or some skinning removed from just behind the wing as well. Any ideas what that might have been for?
This could be a whole new thread in itself – Russian fighter mods!!
Only a guess but p’raps some sort of window? for looking down. But it is quoted as being a Sea Huricane so maybe that’s where the hook was.