RE: Missiles fired at Israeli passenger jet
How would the tower have known? They may have been looking, they may not.
RE: Missiles fired at Israeli passenger jet
In the UK in the mid-90’s the IRA demonstrated how vulnerable departing and arriving commercial traffic is to terrorists by lobbing a few dummy mortars into LHR from the back of a make-shift launcher parked in a hotel car park. There are countless army surplus vendors of weaponry where a terrorist can obtain materials and park themselves anywhere vaguely near the end of a runway and take pot shots at liberty. We are almost powerless to do anything about it. Any more of this and I foresee a massive hike in my life assurance premiums.
RE: My thoughts on security
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-12-02 AT 10:51 AM (GMT)]I used to be completely anti-arming flightcrew but now I’m starting to change my mind. The above scenario shows that no matter how reinforced a door is it can be bypassed by other means. Yes a bullet from a gun might affect the structure but we can sort that one out after we have solved the immediate problem of the terrorist.
Don’t forget that the US had a locked flightdeck door policy BEFORE 911, so all we are really doing is getting ourselves up to a standard that has been proven not to work.
RE: My thoughts on security
Ok – here’s the situation (and this is what is believed to have actually happened on 911) –
Your flying along in your 757/767 and a call comes through from the cabin on the interphone. It’s a cabin crew member who’s a good friend. She’s petrified and is telling you that an Arabic man has a knife at her throat and is threatening to cut her throat if you don’t open the door. You deliberate and before you say anything you hear her screams as she has her throat cut down the phone line. Then another crew member is put on the line, again with a knife at her throat and is told to tell you that there are plenty more people back there that can be dealt with in the same way if you don’t open the door.
How useful is the lock on the flightdeck door?
How hard are you?
RE: Missiles fired at Israeli passenger jet
This one is starting to get more interesting as more of the facts emerge. The missiles used were fairly old technology and needed a certain amount of time after launch to arm themselves. Fortunately just before departure of the Arkia flight there was a wind direction change which meant a sudden change in the runway in use. The terrorists had set themselves up for the former runway so when the Arkia 757 took off they found it a lot closer than they expected. They still fired 2 missiles but neither had armed before passing the target. I’m not sure whether they actually struck the aircraft, they possibly did as the flightcrew believed they had a bird strike. If they had lost an engine (even completely) they would probably have returned to Mombasa if they were unaware that the cause was a missile.
RE: My thoughts on security
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 08-12-02 AT 03:42 PM (GMT)]A lot of very good points raised. In particular I like the ideas of putting ground purchased duty free in the hold (although not all aircraft are palletised and if so there is not usually space for a separate container) and not giving out duty free on board until after landing.
With regard to reinforced cockpit doors, this is a 2 stage implementation with the bulk of the change coming into effect this winter. I have just received the tech notes for our new doors which are quite incredible. There are so many factors to be considered (eg how the cabin crew can gain access in the event of dual pilot incapacitation, how to gain access if both crew got locked out on the ground, etc, etc) that the solutions are really ingenious but I am unable to write them up to a public forum.
I am very pleased with the cabin and galley video surveillance system that we are getting. This will greatly spice up the boredom of a long night flight searching for totty!
RE: Thrust reversers
It’s not vital for every engine to have thrust reverse if you can achieve suitable deceleration with the remaining engines. Performance calculations are completed without taking reverse into consideration so any thrust reverse you get is a bonus.
Mongu – yes a Lauda 767 had a thrust reverser unlock and fully deploy inflight a few years ago with fatal consequences. The fault was with the engine manufacturer (P&W I think) rather than Boeing as they design the reverser system that goes onto their engine. BA’s fleet were unaffected as they are one of only 2 767 operators with RR engines.
RE: A Question for Wysiwyg
You’re welcome Kev. I really enjoy being able to help solve aviation queries.
RE: Thrust reversers
In flight reverse would only be used in the event of a decompression and the subsequent emergency descent.
If I remember rightly the A380 will only have thrust reverse on 2 of its 4 engines.
RE: New airline, and Apple Vaccations has already nicked a 757 from thomas cook!
I’m not exactly sure how they apply the titles, however when they come back refinished in JMC logos you can still see a ghost image of Apple Vacations on the side. Apple are an entirely American company and are nothing to do with JMC or Thomas Cook other than linked by this contract.
We also supply aircraft and/or crews to –
Garuda Indonesia
Air Atlanta Icelandic
Air Seychelles
Air 2000
We have had requests for crew from –
Britannia
Cyprus Airways
RE: News items. (in pictures)
The leases from bmi are 5 months and 12 months respectively.
RE: New Model.
err…how many famous Austrians are there? Mozart, Schwarzeneggar and now I’m stumped!
PS I’ve just remembered the Von Trap family but I think they were ficticious!!!
RE: IEA still around?
Absorbed into Airtours in the mid-90’s
RE: southampton take 2 (might be a bit slow)
BA Dash 8-300, Emb145, Aurigny Trislander and Scot Airways Do328.
RE: Thrust reversers
I didn’t know until I saw the pictures above. Those pictures of the TriStar and DC10 are undisputable. The Trident definitely did not have reverse on the center engine but I’m not sure about the 727. By the way the Trident (and I believe the DC9) could actually use reverse thrust in flight, unlike any other commercial aircraft I know.