From reviewing the information both on line and what has been forwarded I would think this type of register would be a boon to Museums and collectors.
It would also be a great way to review the airframes lacking in collections and those under threat.
I will be advocating a similar process and guide for the Canadian Aeronautical Preservation Association, with an eye to using it more agressively.
Thanks Tom H
Thanks again TwinOtter23
Sounds like a system that could work well…apppreciate the iinsight.
Tom H
Evening (for me!) Mark
Thank you
I agree it sounds like a very worthwhile project, one that would make keeping up much easier.
I am going to propose it at the CAPA convention in October.
Tom H
LL and RPS
I think I would like to know more about the National Register.
Is there a link or site you would recommend?
What is its stated purpose and actual function?
Thanks
Tom H
Really appereciate any new information on education programs.
We push to be a leader in our part of the world and are happy to share information with other museums…
Tom H
Morning
Scorpion89
Just a couple things from the above post.
1) Calgary’s Museum is a member of CAPA, this I have verified.
2) The Yeagan Mossie is its own issue, I have been digging on this one and while I won’t comment till I have all the facts in my hands, it appears from what I have learned so far there are more questions than answers surrounding this one. But again like this Mossie, not enough fact to do more than speculate yet, and as I have already shown I won’t speculate.
3) Canadian Museums and Associatons have been in contact with the Calgary
Museum since the last problem. The point is really mute at this stage.
Errors have been made, they are being corrected
Again as has been the case with this whole story…there still seems to be a lack of accurate information leading to alot of speculation.
Once more hoping this all works out the best for all involved.
Tom H
TwinOtter23
Thanks for that link!!!
What a wonderful idea and a great program, I am forwarding to our education Director.
Thank you so much
Tom H
You hit the nail on the head….
Great idea…I’ve got no room to set it up!!!!!!!!
Tom H
LL
Cannot comment on the one in Spain but the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum has a T-Bird (T-33) done the same way, retractable gear, flaps, canopy etc.
I understand it is popular with kids and other guests, but beyond that I don’t have any first hand experience.
I have aways thought it was a great idea but we have not been able to find a way to implement it yet.
Their website is http://www.warplane.com
Hope that helps
Tom H
Excellent points gentlemen
Maple01
I understand we can connect virtyually any aircraft to our local through it’s combat history, or with commercial aircraft, the fact that it transited through Edmotnon. Heck we could justify Wiley Post’s Lockheed Vega or a Martin B-10
But we have limited room and resources so must represent “significant” types.
If you will:
If our location represents a “Chapter” or Canadian history, we only have room for aircraft that wrote a “paragrapgh” in the chapter. Other aircraft end up being represented by models, dioramas, photographs or rotating exhibits.
Edmonton’s history is almost and equal split between Civil and Military aviation and our collection is close to being split that way (bias Civil right now).
We can never display all the types that touched Edmonton, no financially possible, so we must concentrate on significant types to tell the story. Even then we end up with composites, replicas and in some cases remarking to display the relevant history.
We would NEVER alter an aircraft with a significant individual history. If it did not fit the collection we would reffer it to an appropriate home.
Example…a couple of years ago we were forced to turn down a P-51. You can imagine how bad I wanted a P-51. But there is NO connection that was valid in placing it in the collection (d*mn). The aircraft was reffered to other museums with a mandate that included the aircraft and now has a wonderful home, if we don’t take it we make sure it gets a suitable home.
Of all the Spitfires (oh yes another soft spot), there is only (1) with a relevant history to our City, it is in private ownership and far beyond our means to acquire.
A Hurricane on the other hand and a P-39 or P-63 (US or Soviet marked) are must haves.
But back on topic.
Tom H
Misha
I understand what you are saying…
We are lucky that so much history took place from our airport and even the hangar that we now occupy.
But I can see other places having a problem.
Our policies were set because of the huge amount of history tied to our City.
The other factor was the realization we could never tell the whole story of the history of aviation in Canada. It was felt that was the responsibility of the Federal and Provincially funded museums such as the National or the Renoylds Alberta Museum.
But we can do a better part of telling OUR chapter than they will ever be able to do. Their mandate is far too wide to have us as anything other than a foot note.
On the other hand we would never have the resources to do their job, so it makes sense.
Tom H
Eddie
You may find this a bit of a surprise, but I tend to agree with you on the Lancasters.
They played a huge role post war in Canada and unfortunately the history generally remains untold.
Our Museum will never have a Lanc as they have a very limited history here and it would be a huge stretch of the collections policy, but if we did it would have to be in Postwar colours as it did not have a significant wartime history here.
It seems so hard to find a proper balance.
Tom H
Thanks for your views gentlemen…
I agree that if an aircraft has a specific history, our Fairchild 71 as an example, it must be presented as closely as possible to its place in history. Which is why ours recently had alterations to the rudder and windscreen as new information and better photos came available.
But in other cases an airframe with a pedestrain history will be put in the scheme of a very important aircraft because of its important piece of the story.
Our B-25 that is currently being restored to static may be a good example.
It is being redone to represent a very, very important 418 Squadron post war aircraft. It also happens that we have fantastic research data to support this aircraft.
But the airframe is a composite, the fuselage had a very mundane existance in Saskatoon before ending up as a water bomber companies parts Queen for many many decades. In the end it will presented with the history of the fuselage as a sidebar (the wings, tail and many other bits are from many sources) with the focus of the display relating to the 418 aircraft.
It is a tough call…which to present?
Eddie
Thanks for the recommended reading, our curator has, as well as the TIGHAR and other material.
What I am trying to do is get personal feelings and opinions to balance the academic side.
Tom H
Annek
I understand your point of view completely and appreciate it.
But how can a museum such as ours, with a specific mandate, then cover the history?
Thats a question not a comment or criticism.
BTW as a general comment, many of our aircraft are the composite of scavanged parts, being not for profit means we often work with what others pass on.
Tom H
Scorpion89
Apology accepted and I extend one of my own.
We do not know each other or the backgrounds involved…so as long as it stays civil I have no problem discussing anything.
Tom H