Petition for Headley Court Families Housing

Here we go folks, someone has done a petition to allow the housing that the article that FlagOfficerHome found. Ian I hope u dont mind me adding this one but i think its relevant to your thread and that Headley Court is both a good cause and very close to my heart: Bex

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Headley/

You have young Americans, Brits and soldiers of other nationalities courageous enough to fight for their Country and to do their Government’s bidding. I think it’s now time these Governments acknowledged the sacrifice and the waste and brought all these courageous young men and women home. If they are to die, at least give them the dignity of fighting for something worth dying for. I totally agree with you, I have at present off the top of my head atleast 6 friends in the same Regiment who are in and out of Iraq & Afghanistan like a yo yo, plus 2 more flying for AAC & FAA.
Further more I would like to draw your attention to my comments on the GD forum about Forces Hospitals. Ok I dont agree with the UK & US present military Ops but it doesnt mean I dont give my total support to any troops in theatre, theyre doing a cracking job in very differcult circumstances.

its not abnormal for service personnel to behave in such a fashion. Obviously I was trained wrong then by my dad, and then those we both trained for many years we have instilled the wrong values.

The goats presence here is incidental…if the aim was to kill or mutilate the goat, which is the assumption some seem to be leaping to here (and is the thing I find objectionable), then they failed spectacularly…why did they not just tie their little IED round the goats neck?. The way I see this is that they just wanted to have a giggle with something explosive. I dont believe any one has stated that the aim was to blow the goat up, I for one can think of easier and far more interesting ways of doing that, but I was always tought to be careful and not to play around with things that go bang

I understand that because I’ve done it!. One of my mates came back from Boz with a couple of hundred yards of detcord and it was his party piece, with some able assistance, to cut the grass on his lawn with it!. I can only assume that u and your friend never saw the SSVC video “An Unthinking Moment” narrated by Shaw Taylor then? I draw your attention to one part of the film then….. a section was disposing of det chord at End Ex and the Sgt I/C had other things to do, section got bored chucked whole lot in fire instead of a bit at a time and blew themselves to bits, Sgt then got busted. Good film that, I scared the pants off many a new recruit with it. Finally, your friends actions with said detchord, was the last time I checked, an offence under Queens Regs. “I have no live rounds or empty cases in my possession, pyrotechnics or parts there of” blah de blah Bex

Hi Kev,

Yep on the point about them acting in direct contravention to standing orders they are clearly in the mire – no argument there.

The problem here is though that no-one else really cared about that, hand on heart, most of them would have to admit to not giving much of a damn about this specific goat – they just wanted to have a pop at the Americans and, by god, they were not going to let little details like the actual lack of animal cruelty shown in the video get in the way of them having a jolly good whinge!.

Now, seeings as the ‘animal cruelty’ thing is looking a little flimsy they are leaping on the bandwagon, you have so conveniently provided, of the contravention of standing orders and some spurious references to hearts and minds!.

More and more Monty Python as this progresses if you ask me!!!

Steve, I do believe that the issue of the troops disobeying orders about posting videos on the internet has been discussed which I do believe is one of the reasons why the video has been reported to the Pentagon by Pete Truman.

If anyone wanted to have a pop at the Americans then Im pretty sure it would have happened, I know I havent (but if I wanted to I would)

Im pretty sure if this video was shown to animal welfare officer either in the US or UK theyd throw a wobbly.

Hearts and Minds, oh yes, that theory didnt work in SE Asia or Northern Ireland (just so I dont accused of American bashing), so pretty much guarenteed it aint gonna work this time round, but the idiots running the show seem to think its a great idea as they always do when not on the front line.

The Monty Python gang could probably run the war better than those who are at the moment.

Bex

Should have read the whole thread before posting however, as I ‘ve just noted that its already been mentioned.

Er anyone got a spare pair of glasses knocking around??? 😀 Bex

I’ll get me coat…….. forgot the goats ate it…… D’oh

But in the interests of not keeping the main 388th crews awake with constant explosions, they based Aphrodite at our satellite field, Fersfield as has been noted.

Moggy

Forgive me a moment, but Ive never heard of this before. So, an allied aircraft was packed full of explosives, flown to target by a crew who then bailed out? That was some brave guys to do that. Were these crews given any medals or awards for these missions? As I say, Ive never come across this before. Bex

What animal cruelty?. The modest startling of one goat? Or is it the destruction of habitat you are concerned about?. Could it be the poor defenceless bush that got blown up could potentially be home to several rare species?.

Good lord man I think your environmental crusade should be a lot more successful if you started a bit further up the offenders list than a few lads kicking back with an MRE bomb!

I consider sticking an MRE bomb under a goats bum to be abuse, I not on an enviromental campaign, I like noisey smelly aeroplanes jet & piston & steam & diesel trains too much oh and I like seriously silly modded cars too.

I also think the proper authorities should be aware of the immature behaviour of troops that will undoubtly cause bad publicity in a campaign that is not exactly the most popular either side of the Atlantic. Besides if someone can throw their toys over a cartoon drawing, who knows what damage could be caused by a locals animal being used for amusement of their so called “Saviours”. Thats my view anyways. Bex

I say again – are you being serious here?. Yes

These lads are front line troops in a hostile environment – I think they know a damnsight more about responsibility and common sense than most who live pedestrian civvy lives, secure and comfortable, threatened only by the gang of 15yr old hoodies down the street!. True, not desputing that

If they are having a laugh, causing no harm – apart from perhaps to the bush they exploded and giving a bit of a fright to a particularly inquisitive goat – how does it become an issue warranting 60-odd posts on this board crucifying them for their wanton cruelty?. I thought animal cruelty & abuse was illegal

Have you considered that by letting off steam in this fashion they are, in fact, managing their stress levels and, at the price of a moderate startling of one goat, those troops may be better prepared mentally to deal with the next difficult situation they face with people?. Perhaps the mentality of soldiers has changed since 1963 when my dad joined up. Never mind its only an animal. Bex

What happened to common decency, common sense and grown men acting their age and not their shoe size? Ok its an animal, Im not vegitarian or a happy clappy love the plants space cadet, but obviously I was brought up wrong by a man who believes in Honour, Respect & Decency. Bex